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Oh, I do apologize, Send. I didn't see that you had already brought desserts for us. I'll visit the General Topics and sample some treats. And thank you for your efforts!

Plant problems....first, my experience with acrylic or plastic pots is that they prevent aeration. Clay pots are great but can lose moisture too quickly in hot weather. Plastic pots don't breathe and can keep the soil too warm. Through experiments, I learned that some flowering plants, such as wax begonias, thrived only in Styrofoam pots. They're not very attractive, but I think the next time I use one I'll grow morning glories and train them downward to entwine themselves around the pot to create a lovely "pot trellis."

I'm wondering if that's what happened - the roots overheated in the CA heat and just died?

Another option is some type of unwelcome insect critter made a home in the pots and ate the roots. Did you see any signs of this? Was the soil heated or decontaminated before use?

I think I'd sterilize the planters, try to drill holes in them for at least bottom drainage if they don't have that, and perhaps drill a few along the sides. How large are these pots? Test them with one daisy and something else, to see if both plants survive or don't. If the daisy doesn't, there might have been something that attacked its root system. I don't know what diseases might be specific to daisies.

Definitely replace all the soil for the rest of the daisies, but root them first if there are no roots left at all. If you have other plants in similar pots, I'd guess that either the soil was a factor, the plants were diseased, or the plants got too much sun.

The daisies might regenerate, but I'd try to root them in water, in a cool place, before repotting them if there are no roots at all left.

The year before last I lost half a dozen hydrangeas and a buddleia bush. I think I hadn't prepared the soil well enough.
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Well, I'll be the first to offer some scrumptious yummies, and a slightly embellished tale to distract us from caregiving.

Since many of us love chocolate, I thought some chocolate brownies with bits of raspberries might be a good start. So I wandered into my several thousand square foot conservatory, modeled after an English Victorian style, to pick some fresh raspberries from the repeat fruiters I'm growing in containers. Naturally I liberally sampled the berries to ensure their quality met our standards.

Of course I'll need some fresh chocolate, so I dipped into my stock of chocolate berries that I harvest periodically from the South American portion of the greenhouse. Grinding them with my little hand held grinder released a fragrant aroma that elevated my spirits, as well as my energy.

Hand picked nuts from bonsaied walnut trees were added to the brownie mix.

My kitchen became even more fragrant while the mixture was baking in my old fashioned wood stove oven, naturally vented outside in my Victorian summer kitchen refreshed by cooling breezes from open windows on every side of the room.

By the time the brownies were finished, even the local birds had come to rest on the window sills and sing lovely songs, perhaps in hopes of getting a few brownie crumbs?

Fresh chocolate also contributed to the frosting, with a touch of dried and ground raspberries to complement the flavor of the brownies.

And now they're cooling on a lovely Wedgewood plate, waiting for visitors to sample.

But, we need something to drink: tea...or lemonade? Will someone else contribute this?
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Sharyn and GardenArtist,
Coffee and cupcakes are being served on "General Topics."
You would be most welcome there.
You are invited!

I have a gardening question. There are four 24" planters (some acrylic type of fake stone) and plants have died or rotted. They were still blooming yellow flowers, but when I went to trim the one, it just fell apart, rotted at the base. Cut short now, no foliage at all.
Will it grow back, being a hearty yellow daisy type bush that lasted 5 years?


When/if I replant the planters, should I replace all the dirt? Half the dirt, just add new?

Thanks for any advice. I already killed a new hydrangea this year. A new fall planting woukd be nice, starting over. Of course, it is still summer, and I want to plant early for fall.

These planters are the same ones my bouganvillia and rose bush are in, doing ok.
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GA, sounds yummy!! A new thread, Welcome to our virtual parlor
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Sharyn, years ago, the Victoria magazine sponsored a wonderful forum for those interested not only in Victorian lifestyles, gardens and more. It was the most diversified and sophisticated forum I've ever found - it covered such a broad range of gracious lifestyles.

If you've ever read the Victoria magazine, you'll get a sense of that gracious lifestyle. And these days, we need some grace in our lives,

Some of the posters decided to create a virtual gathering place, like a parlor, great room, living room...someplace where we could chat, and enjoy virtual food. We used to have these kinds of gatherings after the Jane Austen Society meetings. I needn't mention that the food was delicious, but so high in sugar that it was easy to get dizzy from the sugar spike.

The food prepared at home by the Victoria forum community and virtually shared was literally "to die for." Scones, home made bread, fresh salads from home grown produce, special English dishes, trifles...and much more.

So, I think you could virtually share some of your blackberry scones - just tell us about the fragrance of baking them, of your first bite and how delicious it was, whether you ate them with freshly brewed tea, or coffee... We'll enjoy your hard work and visualize your delicious scones.
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Out of butter for the mix. Tomorrow is another day!!
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The scone mix has a small jar of huckleberry jelly. I was hoping since huckleberries grow wild here in Idaho, I could find them fresh or frozen. The jelly will suffice with some melted butter on warm scones. Now to to go make them, hee hee!!
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Sharyn, you might find fresh huckleberries at a Whole Foods store, or farmer's market. I don't recall ever seeing them in chain grocery stores, although they might be in the frozen section (which I don't check very often).

I would think you could probably substitute blackberries or blueberries; they might even compliment the huckleberry flavoring in the scone mix.
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I have a clear bag with huckleberry scone mix. It was in a gift basket we received from the builder. I should see if I need to add huckleberries, don't know where to find them though.
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As long as it is Summer....and in Southern California it is mostly Summer 362 days a year,
(an exaggeration); I will contine to use this recipe for scones:
Get up, get in the car, drive to starbucks early enough to capture those expensive biscuits (not one dollar) that are flying off the shelf, share with hubs, drop him off at work, return home to brush off the crumbs. He says, "I didn't know I was still hungry!".
The only time he talks to me, so the scones are so worth it, imo!!!
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Send, how many eggs, how much milk and flour?

How do you make your cranberry and orange glaze? Chopped or minced cranberries? Orange juice, dried orange peel, or chopped oranges?

I'm thinking that you could probably make a blueberry sauce as well?

Good thing the humidity here is 80% and the dewpoint is 74 or I'd be making biscuits.

This would be a nice way to begin a Fall day - but let's wait until CWillie's summer is ended so she can enjoy too!


I agree we need to make sure the Wisteria doesn't consume CM. There are so many valuable people on this forum and she's one.

CWillie, I used to be able to get nice, firm but soft scones; but lately the stores that sell them seem to freeze them, then thaw them (maybe when their commercial freezers become crowded) and they're hard. Yuk.

And since we're discussing baked delicacies, one thing I've avoided is exploring the local French bakery. I would probably come out with a maxed out credit card and my arms full of delicious, tasty, but fattening goodies.
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Yes, I was wondering!
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Have you ever wondered what the difference is between scones and biscuits? About $1 each. LOL
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GardenArtist,
A radio play was already done, on BBC, called "Day of the Triffids". Those plants sounded worse than CM's wistaria, people were disappearing! CM's story was well written, I agree, but let's try to make sure she doesn't disappear, Lol.

Recipe for Scones:
Mix the egg and milk in a small bowl, and stir into flour mixture until moistened. Turn dough out onto a lightly floured surface, and knead briefly. Roll dough out into a 1/2 inch thick round. Cut into 8 wedges, and place on the prepared baking sheet.

My scones have cranberries and orange glaze.  Take and eat!
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Okay, Send, do you realize that your new avatar of with a stack of freshly baked, aromatic biscuits is so tempting that I want to make some myself? That I can smell the aroma of freshly baked biscuits just removed from the oven? And drizzle them with honey, or with applesauce? Do you realize how hungry you're making me?

That's okay though, at least there's no chocolate syrup on them.

Now, where did I place those recipes for biscuits that I knew someday would have to be filed???
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Thank you all for the info. Gives me some things to think about.
Yes CWillie, landscapers use red twig because it grows fast and is readily available.
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Sharyn, there are a couple of options for red twig dogwood, depending on much you want to have them in your garden.

If you want a container planting, get a large container on wheels, and wheel it into a storage area for the winter. However, you would need space, and there's also the issue of the plant not getting water or fresh air.

The Victorians had the right idea - conservatories. But unfortunately, most of us don't have the funds or space to add a conservatory to our house. A greenhouse might work, but that's also dependent on funds and adequate space.

Another option is to grow it in a container, accepting that it will be a sacrificial but donor plant. Take cuttings in the fall and plant them in a protected area, then transplant them to the desired site. When the plant becomes too large, use it as a mother plant again.

But that's really not a great solution, unless you're really dedicated to have a red twig dogwood. I've considered it for making wreaths, although I don't know how supple the branches would be for that purpose.

A third option is to bonsai it. My aunt and uncle had an alpine nursery; she handled the alpines, he handled the bonsai evergreens. I wish I'd spent more time with them learning how to bonsai, as I want to try it with some maple seeds I have.

I've seen structures such as those old watering troughs used for bonsai; there might be something more practical though, such as a large planter box. I haven't done any bonsai-ing yet, so I don't have any good insight into the technique at all.

Is there any other place you could plant them, say as a windbreak? Given their rapid growth, they could provide cover for overwintering birds. Donation to a nature preserved might be another option. They could grow freely and shelter birds during inclement weather.
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Summer camp, Brownies, Bluebirds, Girl Scouts and other organizations for young people - I haven't thought of these in years.

But the posts here reminded me of those years, when I was a Brownie, then a Girl Scout. I even saved my badge sash - it's packed away somewhere with precious mementos of childhood, hopefully along with my ballet and tap shoes which I could never wear now but instantly bring back memories of the studio where I took lessons for a while, until we moved away and transportation became an issue.

Does anyone who was a Girl Scout remember the Girl Scout Songs? I still have my GS songbook, as well as my GS knife (wouldn't be w/o it!) Handbook, and somewhere my compass.

After reading the Campfire posts last night, I couldn't help wandering down Girl Scout Lane and humming "High up, high on a mountain, we've founded our chalet." I could also envision beautiful Swiss mountains with pastoral sections, even a rural goat herd or two, massive peaks in the distance, and of course beautiful, contemplative weather which prompts one to just sit down on the grass and appreciate the beauty of nature.

Of course I had to research the song, of which I remembered only the first verse. But I was struck by the appropriateness, especially in these turbulent political times, of the last words.

"We'll go to Our Chalet
And this its dedication
Shall never fail nor be undone
Each race, each creed, each nation
Beneath its roof are one."

If only human integration as well as acceptance and tolerance for other cultures could be so easy and peaceful.

Send, Sharyn, and anyone else who might have commented, thanks for this trip down Memory Lane. It's a trip I plan to take more often now.
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I think red twig dogwood is one of those plants builders like because they are so readily available and inexpensive, if they don't suit it is probably not worth the effort to try and save them.
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CM, if I could get a free trip to England, I'd come equipped with pruning shears, plenty of little bags and jiffy sevens for clippings, and take care of your wandering Wisteria. I'm sure it would love to wander along the deep property line, and might even become adventurous enough to go over into the neighbors' yards, although I'm afraid that would prompt a rush with toxic chemicals in hand to terminate its existence.

Your very poetic post is quite articulate and very clever in describing your unwanted invasion. Gave me some chuckles even as I was envisioning a scene from one of those programs on what happens after human made structures are abandoned and foliage takes over.

It might even be the basis for a sci-fi movie - there have been creeping blobs and other fantasies about unwanted and threatening invasions. Why not "Invasion of the Wisterias"?

On a more serious note, I'm wondering how the wisteria got through the bricks (?) or other material siding the house. I know that invasive vines can cling to brick, but I'm not sure about actually breaking through it. I suppose if the house and bricks were old, they would be more vulnerable.

If you want to make some money from it, I suppose you could take clippings and sell them at a farmer's market. And although I've never tried this, if you could clip it back to the entry point and terminate its existence there, that might help as well. Stripping the bark might help discourage it's adventurous growth and exploration, although bark is I think more vulnerable outdoors since it compromises sun protection.

I've used vinegar spray on outdoor weeds; it was mildly effective, but capped in a plastic bag might make it more so. Maybe your wisteria will find the environment unsuitable and not to its liking and go elsewhere.
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Ali, they will take over the front flower bed with there width. Much to wide and tall for a front flower bed.

Cwillie, we are zone 6-7 with some snow.
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Sharyn, I put 4 of those red dogwoods in the front of house here. They were tiny things when I planted them in the fall. The next summer, they grew to about 5' tall. Year after that they were 7' tall and 5' wide. They may have gotten bigger, who knows, but I started aggressively cutting them back. I ended up taking them out this year because they got too big very quickly. The leaves aren't thick, though, they won't block much of the light, imo. They will block the view, I would think.
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Container plants can be problematic if the winter temperatures dip too low, I'm not sure what your climate is there??
It might be a good idea to drive around your area with your eye on everyone's foundation plantings, you can get a better idea of what works for others and appeals to you. Local parks and shopping areas are also good places to get ideas on what is both practical and pretty since plantings there need to be almost indestructible.
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Anyone have info on red twig dogwood. I'm pretty sure this is what is planted in our front flower bed. From what I am seeing online, they will be bigger than what I want in front of windows blocking light. I'm thinking of putting them in containers. Will they thrive in containers?? Thanking you for any info you can share.
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Oh, Summer Camp-sheesh, that is how I know a lot of those songs! Do you think I may have been brainwashed?
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Sharyn,
Do not remember much at all, or how long the blue uniform was worn, so cannot comment on Campfire. Something sounds a bit familiar, can you explain it?

Knowing my mother, she worked, so the actual "commitment" to keep her daughters in Bluebirds may have been too much for her, did not meet her babysitting needs, or it was just a passing fancy. We did not have choices back then.
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Send, Campfire?? I was a leader for 5 years.
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Humph. One of the things those keen Victorian gardeners thought would be just perfect for the old stone walls is wisteria, which they enthusiastically imported from the States. And very glorious it looks, too.

It looks slightly less glorious in my hall, which it has invaded and is making its purposeful way from behind the radiator there back towards the dining room window on one side and the drawing room window on the other. The landlord's agent is annoyed partly because she paid someone quite a lot of money to remove it the year before last (I'm sure they did their best) and partly because her own wisteria at her house, thoughtfully sited and lovingly tended, ailed and died. I've taken some cuttings of my unique indoor version for her while we wait for the next handyman to have a go at persuading it that it belongs outdoors and must stop burrowing in through the wall. We can't do anything very mean to it in case we hurt the parent plant which is a key feature of the courtyard in front, so I predict that I'll just have to learn to enjoy greeting it every morning as I come downstairs.

Gardeners' World, which you can probably get on BBC iPlayer, features the incomparable Monty Don as presenter; but Gardeners' Question Time on Radio 4 (Fridays/Sundays) is even older, just had its 70th birthday. Sadly it's nothing like as serious as it used to be but that's probably just me getting middle-aged and grumpy.
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Summer, Winter, Spring or Fall, we appreciate them all!
As taught to me in summer Bluebirds, as a child, instead of Brownies.
We sat outside to have our activities, planted a few seeds in a tiny red-clay pot.
Made potholders too.
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CWillie, no I haven't seen that series but definitely would watch it if it were on. I watch a lot of PBS and BBC anyway. I'll do some research; maybe I can find it in some BBC archives.

That's exactly the kind of program I would LOVE.

I really miss Erica Glasener and another woman who used to host garden programs decades ago. Can't remember her name right now.

Thanks for the tip; I'll search and see if I can find some old episodes to watch.
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