Many people come to this forum and post their concerns that they believe hospice killed their loved one.
I want you to know with certainty that you are correct in your suspicions. Hospice does murder. I have witnessed it, as well as many other.
Please, if you have experienced this, I'm asking you to continue to speak out. There is a growing effort to bring these atrocities to the attention of the public by speaking out, and telling our stories. That is the only way we can make other people aware.
Don't ever let anyone convince you that you didn't witness what you witnessed. You were there. You saw it. And you know.
Here is the timeline of the merging of the Euthanasia Society of America and the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization. The two are one in the same. Wonder no longer if they are murdering. They are. It is their mission. It is what they do.
hospicepatients.org/euthanasia-soc-of-america-to-natl-hosp-and-palliative-care-org
Please hashtag all of your hospice murder posts and comment #minetoo
#minetoo #hospice #hospicemurder
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You put you antlers in and you shake them all about.
You do the Reindeer Pokey and you turn yourself around.
That’s what it’s all about!
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You put your red nose in….
You put your fluffy tail in…
You put you antlers in and you shake them all about.
You do the Reindeer Pokey and you turn yourself around.
That’s what it’s all about!
You put your hooves in….
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I'll never forget the catatonic stares of people sitting in halls, waiting for therapy, to rehab them for what? More depression, more limited lives sitting in wheelchairs waiting to die? Or people unable to speak, or unable to see, again just waiting to die.
Those catatonic faces will haunt me whenever I think of how sad and pathetic those poor souls were.
That was just rehab; it wasn't even hospice....yet.
Kudos to you for telling it like it is to someone who doesn't have a clue and is just a troublemaker.
Profile, everything Veronica just said............but let me add, ever since you started this rhetoric I have been reliving my Mom's dying moments. Thx to you, I've had these images going through my head for the last three days. So, again thx for that.
Why do I keep coming back here and reading you may ask. You know how when you have a nagging toothache and it hurts even more when you touch it but for some reason you keep doing it? There's that..........but also I'm wondering why the admin. haven't cut you off at the pass yet.
Yes I am profile but I am not for prolonging unesesary suffering. Sometimes the pain is so severe that it actually prevents the patient from dying.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
You mentioneed the Nazis. Remember Dr Mendeler and what experiemneta he carried out on people fully conscious.
There is good and bad in this world. Why don't you focus on the good and do something about the bad.
Have you spoken to the police about your suspicious deaths, called the Coroner or reported the nurses involved to the State Licensing Board?
How do you spend your time? Hanging around listening to nurses gossip, wandering the halls of nursing homes asking relatives awkward questions about their loved ones. Spend a few days in a nursing home and take a good look at your fellow residents. Do you think they want to be sat in a hallway with their mouths drooping open and spit running down their faces fast asleep only to be woken when the dinner bell rings and be pushed into the dining room where the assigned Aide shovells food into their clamped shut mouths. All because they were given CPR after a stroke. All around the table there are others who have to be constantly woken and reminded to eat. or loved ones uging their mothers to eat it all to keep your strength up till Mom slaps the hand that is trying to feed her. Then there is the one, thin as a rake who quietly takes off her bib and covers the plate.
Then take a trip into the therapy room where one elderly resident is clipping clothes pins on a piece of string. Then ther's me given a bowl of glass marbles and an empty bowl with instructions to transfer them one by one then transfer them bad. Me bad when the therapist was not looking I just picked up handfuls. I was there for rehab for a hip replacementt
This is the reality of keeping people alive beyond their sell by date.
Prolife there is a place for you in this crazy mixed up unkind world fighting for patients rights to the care they need and deserve but not here on this forum frightening people who are already carrying so much guilt and stress caring for their elders and at times children, who can't afford decent care. Bang on the door of the White House and tell them not to cut Medicare which is far from free and often leaves elders on the hind t**
Carly's grandma was not in pain, never complained of pain and was not even dying.
She was misdiagnosed with an end stage terminal illness by an emergency room doctor (a hospitalist) and given a prescription for hospice.
The hospice liaison lied to the family about what hospice is. They were told that it was just to give her a couple days rest and then she would get to come home.
She was not DYING, and three years after being saved, she is still alive.
The only thing killing her was the staff at the hospice facility by overdosing her with morphine.
I also witnessed my grandmother killed this way. She was not in pain. She never complained of pain. She was not even dying, but was killed by her doctor and a hospital. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about because I'm sure you've seen it done and probably even participated in such practices.
She walked into the hospital on her own, with no help. Was admitted for "treatment". Her care taker left and when she returned our grandma was "comatose". They lied to us about why our grandma was in a coma. They told us it was natural because she was just dying. They said the morphine (which they gave her right after her POA left, without informed consent), wouldn't cause that. They lied to us. It does sedate.
I also witnessed the misuse of terminal sedation done on my aunt, by hospice. She was sedated with morphine. And let to dehydrate to death for 8 days.
I also witnessed a cousin, who was not in pain, was fully alert and of sound mind, be given a large dose of morphine, which caused her death within minutes. Done by hospice.
And another aunt, was put on hospice. No pain. Of sound mind. Was given Haldol, making her unable to walk, a common side effect. The family was lied to. They were told that it was her condition worsening. She also was dehydrated to death.
I have been researching this and advocating against these murders since 2013. I know the justifications that are used by medical staff and you just repeated them verbatim.
Murder is murder. You can justify it all you want by making yourself out to be the heroine with a syringe. But these things are being done to people who are not dying and are not in pain. And people's lives are being cut short because they are blindly trusting the advise of the doctors and medical staff. You know you're killing.
Anyone can go to the forums, such as allnurses website, and read the conversations about these things. You will see that they know that they are hastening death and feel that they are doing a good deed by doing it. This is what they really believe.
Welcome to Nazi America (see Hitler's T4 Program)! Where you become disposable if you are elderly, terminally ill, or disabled. Where the doctors and the insurance companies decide whose lives are worthy to be lived and whose aren't.
My Mom was "dehydrated to death" as you put it. There is a reason for that. When the bodies kidneys start to shut down, if water is being administered regularly the person's body basically becomes a like a water bottle. The morphine is given regularly for obvious reasons. To lend comfort while the organs slowly shut down.
Yes, it was unpleasant to watch, to say the least. What would you have people do then?
Guess what? That hospice said the same thing you just said. They told Carly that her grandmother's state was normal because she was dying!!
But, guess what? When she arrived at the hospital by ambulance, they found that she had been overdosed with morphine and was not dying at all.
You can listen to Carly's story on The Vicky Travis Show.
Yes, I have seen a relative but into a terminal sedation (like Carly's grandma was) and dehydrated to death for 8 days. It was the most horrible thing I had ever seen. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
It’s the person’s choice! I only wish euthanasia was legal. Have you ever watched a loved one suffer as they approach death? Have you? Hospice means the patient does not want their life prolonged. The end.
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It's cathartic to post a reply. I needed to do that. My post wasn't directed at the OP, it was directed to others on this thread. It just adds to the hurt to be reprimanded. You don't have to keep reading the thread, but it's frustrating to see that others have had their say, but then be told I can't have mine.
A troll comes to promote their own agenda, push only their views onto unsuspecting victims, get publicity, refer to their website, get hits to make money, sell books, and take away from the forum rather than give something of value. A troll will incite others with opposing views, and if they don't get their way, will attack other posters. If they are ignored, they will take up their rant forcing their limited views on other social media sites such as twitter and facebook. Like a cult leader.
A troll has no interest whatsoever in your free speech rights, your opinion, or anything other than their own agenda.
Please allow them their free speech rights by ignoring them so they can go scortch the earth on another site.
It's one thing to "be aware of a philosophy" and discuss the origins of a company, but it's quite another to use the word "murder" associated with hospice, and in doing so, hurt the caregivers who are reading this forum, and possibly make them question or doubt the often difficult decisions they've made. That's NOT ok! This is the wrong forum for posting this kind of rant, IMHO, and it's basically attempting to put shame and fear into vulnerable people who are in difficult situations. Shame on Prolife for that!
If someone wants to reasonably discuss something like this, that's fine, but they should do it in a respectful manner. Using the word "murder" is inciteful as well as disrespectful, if not outright defamatory.
Does not mean I agree that they should be associated because I don't
As many people know I am a proponant of hospice having been a hospice RN for ten years and I will definitely be calling them in when my time comes.
There is usually a bad apple in most barrels and I will leave it at that
And..Yes..people,should know who is who ..in the organization...and the philosophy...and be transparent..so people can choose appropriately..the service and company...and their philosophy...for their final days..
And..regulations and oversight and proper training in place to ensure that unintentionall death does not occur.....they are not misdiagnosed..or have a treatable illness..pain...and that the person is actually in a state of near death...or that fraud ...or abuse is taking place..which has occurred in the past resulting in lawsuits and federal..state investigations...as well as the government survey ...questionnaire forms that..that are mailed out to families as a follow up..which is good.....and the individual..and family..should educate themselves and pay attention as welll...self responsibility...every human is fallible..........so there is already oversight regulations in place..which is good..not perfect..but still there..
But..ones right to choose...and choose the service care they want should never be another person's choice...government or group dictate..It is the individuals choice...and no one should be denied a painless as possible passing...and hospice provides comfort and care..for the elderly and terminally ill...as well as assisting those you are ready to leave this world...in a painlessly as possible manner...
And I applaud this aging care web site..for its convictions, open mindedness and courage to allow such posting topics to be addressed..answered..without censorship...topics and comments may not be pleasant to everyone...but it creates a dialogue..awareness and thought..as well as an outlet for those experiencing ..experienced...events that are unpleasant..illness and care of a loved one..and no one should be censored..because some do not like what is being said...people are adults..and can judge for themselves ..hopefully, ...the validity...and if applicable to their reality.....
and aging care has provided a place for people to seek answers...as questions ..as well as to express their thoughts..which is invaluable...
I note also that "expressing" a view is usually presented differently from repeated written chants, more appropriate for a group of protesters.
It is your choice to suffer in horrific pain during the last few weeks of your life. Cancer is one of the most brutal of deaths.
As it is our choice to use Hospice for our final months.