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My mom was part of the Hollywood glamour era. That generation didn’t even get the mail in without their makeup on, nails painted and hair done!
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Hi all who inquired, My mother definitely knows what fraternal twins are. :-)
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GG, I spit coffee on my tablet reading your words to Hothouseflower about fraternal twins and some people's beliefs about them! 🤣 How absurd!

I've never heard of chicken cacciatore in the oven. God knows WHAT his mom and grandma made in the oven, but it wasn't cacciatore! Lol. Your dh is a real pip. I'm hoping your Christmas festivities aren't a real nightmare.....maybe you can put dh downstairs with Basement Son and they can watch tv all day? 😁

So if basement-son wound up having a baby with jersey-girl, maybe he'll move OUT of your basement and IN with the gf to take on his responsibility as a new father! At 42, it's time, right?

Im glad your DD reached out to you and has gotten help for herself, thank God. I hope the visit is lovely and she can avoid her dad as much as possible. Fingers crossed for a beautiful holiday for you.

Ty, struffoli are always great at Christmas and better to wait on line than make them 😣

Hugs to you Llama
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So glad you're feeling a bit better, Lea! May your Christmas be Merry and Bright! And to all the commenters here, have a happy and healthy holiday. I'm still deciding if I need to wait on that long line outside of the local pastry shop for Christmas goodies. Maybe some struffoli!
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Hothouse, I can't help but wonder if your mother understands what fraternal v identical twins means. I knew someone who thought fraternal twins meant two different fathers were involved. Could she have thought that?

Lea, your Christmas plans sound lovely. My husband recently accused me of never making chicken cacciatori for him even though I made it many times -- in the crockpot. He said that his grandma and mom made it on the stovetop and in the oven and if I didn't do that work, then it wasn't chicken cacciatori.

My Christmas plans: I've baked lots of cookies this year to give away but we still have plenty left. (I have gained ten pounds since Christmas, let's not talk about that!) Fortunately there will be football on TV Christmas Day to give my husband something to do. The 42yo-basement-son will pass through for coffee and probably mumble Merry Christmas. The son that lives thirty minutes away said he will try to stop by with his wife and two kids. On the 26th, one of our KY daughters is coming with her four kids (the other KY daughter will not be here, they visited in November because they knew they might not make it in December). The one that is coming cut off all communication and relationship after last Christmas. She reached out to me last month and said she was sorry, she's been through counseling and is on meds now, she misses me, and hopes that we can be close again. She also asked me to not have any expectations of relationship with her father, that she is still angry at him for all he stole (figurative) from our family. I understand. He doesn't, because in his mind, any wrong he did has been forgiven by God, and that everyone else has to come to him and beg for HIS forgiveness for their reactions to the revelation of the things he did. I expect this to be a very tearful visit. On the 27th, everyone (including our basement-son's son in WV) will be here for a family gathering.

I have a very bad feeling about this day. I think basement-son is going to spring something on us (if he doesn't beforehand). I already have a niggle in my heart about what it is. Should I tell you here? Then it is in writing and I can come back and say whether I was right or wrong. He took up with a woman in NJ about this time last year, spending weeks at a time with her. Then suddenly in late spring, he wanted nothing to do with her. Now, for the last two months, he's been visiting her again. I think she's had a baby and he's the father. There, I said it.
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Lea: Thank goodness that you're feeling a little bit better. An early Merry Christmas to you.
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Because eternal "victims" have never made a mistake or done a wrong thing in their lives, dontcha know? Taking responsibility for their own actions is in direct violation of the Victim Mentality. Can't play the Victim Card and be a gown a** adult at the same time.
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Hothouse ,
It is so sad . What were our mothers thinking ? Did they think that they were going to get their kids to be more successful by making them compete against each other ? Idk , but over the years when some of us were only doing partial contact and some did not come to holidays on and off , my mother would have her crying fits over how she has “rotten kids “ and why did she bother having kids if this is how her family was going to turn out .
Mom created the messy drama , but maintained being the victim!
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Lea,
2 of my sisters have green eyes like my mother , my other sister has blue . I have sh*t brown eyes like my father . I often wonder if that’s how I got to be the chosen slave .
My daughter has my mother’s green eyes only even a nicer cat eye shape . My mother used to tell me that my daughter looked more like her daughter than mine !!! She actually was right .
My mother was a very pretty woman . Prettier than any of her daughters .
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Amen to that Lea!
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Waytomisery, how rude and disrespectful your mother was. Tell me how you REALLY feel, huh mom? 😑

Hothouse, how terribly sad about your twin sisters and that they no longer speak. Shame on your mother for sowing such discord between you. Comparing siblings is the worst thing a parent can do bc someone always comes up short.
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Amen Gershun. It's ridiculous to be raised to want to look like a freaking Barbie Doll. How shallow is that? To be all about looks instead of character and integrity and brains and SOUL. I raised my DD w/o any thought to beauty or weight or any stupid outer appearance matters. She grew up to be a beautiful soul inside AND out, who's an RN and a go getter. Me? Never made it thru my first yr of community college for being told "what's the point? Just get married and have babies, maybe write an article instead of a book like you want."

Nothing like a year of illness to really soul search and figure out what's important in life, huh? My white eyelashes and eyebrows are much cause for pity among people I run into. I want to burst out laughing, to tell you the truth. After the sh*t I've been through the past year, that is the least of my concerns! Whether I'll be able to walk today is. Whether my legs will give out due to back issues is. Or if the back brace will help me stand upright longer w/o as much pain. And what about my pet scan on the 9th and the new lump I found, is it a tumor? Yeah, my white facial hair is a joke although I'm sure mom wouldn't think so. I hope this new year brings us peace within OURSELVES to BE ourselves with no apologies. Amen.
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Lea,

I have one brother and 3 sisters.
My mother called me “ her plain Jane daughter “. I was also called Cinderella at times . My mother was also all about appearances . My mother was constantly redecorating . My mother thought my home was too plain as well . I’m not big on a lot of Knick knacks , nor did I hang enough things on the wall in her opinion .
She once introduced me to her new neighbor as “ This is my daughter with the bare boards house .”
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I'm so happy and grateful to God that you are going to see Christmas this year too Lea! I think about you so often and marvel at your strength.

I've done a whole lot of soul searching in 2023. I've been sick with one thing or another the whole year almost. My foot, then a kidney infection, then covid. I realize now what's important. I always knew instinctively but there's nothing like being ill to force you to really look at yourself and others. I know you know this in spades Lea so I'm not preaching to the choir here.

I always cared too much about my appearance and I think it was due to my childhood too. Now that I'm 62 and things are starting to go south it's almost refreshing to say hell it, I'm not how I look. I never was but am just beginning to recognize it.
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Mine too, Way. My sisters are twins. I don’t think they are identical but when I told my mother that I thought they were fraternal twins she had an absolute fit. It was as though I robbed her of s trophy of some sort. They are total opposites. They no longer speak to each other. They refuse to be in the same room. I think in large part this is because my mother spent a lot of time comparing them and one sister always came up short. We spent most of our childhoods trying to stay out of our mothers crosshairs sad to say.

After this nightmare with our parents is over don’t think any of us will be keeping in touch. We’ve moved on.
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My mother was exactly like that Gershun....ALL about appearances where I never measured up. I remember one time when I moved into a brand new house in Colo and the folks were coming to visit shortly after we'd moved in. I'd been very sick in Florida and hospitalized which was what necessitated the move back to the dry Colo climate in the first place. Mom was an extreme OCD clean freak....nothing was ever clean enough for her. So I was on my hands and knees cleaning a BRAND NEW bathroom for their arrival, knowing she'd be recleaning everything, leaving me feeling inadequate as usual...and I had a full blown panic attack! Omg I though I was dying because I didn't know what was happening. I was around 33 @ the time.

This is ONE reason out of 1000 I always felt under extreme pressure during family functions, and hated them. And knowing no matter how good I looked, it wasn't quite good enough or thin enough for my mother.
🙄 I'm truly glad I no longer feel compelled to clean like a maniac or dress up and do my hair and face like a glamour queen or "hold my stomach in" as I was taught since 5 years old. Those days are over and now what you see is what you get. I'm just grateful to have made it to SEE Christmas this year!
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Gershun,
Mine was due to my mother pitting one child against the other . And some of my siblings are very competitive as well , comparing our children etc. I would never play those games. I never cared what they did . It bothered them that I did not envy them .
I guess it is pretty common for some competitiveness in families. I don’t get it really . I don’t see the point in trying to put another person down. I don’t understand why that makes them feel better .
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Misery I'm sure there are lots of families like mine. In fact sadly, it's probably the norm.
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Gershun .
Your family sounds like mine . I don’t do holidays with 3 out of 4 siblings . We for the most part went our seperate ways since my parents both died .
Anyway , I resorted to playing the wall flower most of the time , or busied myself in the kitchen if the holidays were at my house, which was most of the time ( to please my mother ).
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Probably pop an ativan before I get there too.

Just saying............
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Yes Barb, I'll watch and learn. I'll be like that nerd guy from The Big Bang Theory. You know that show? Although he was a bit of a know it all wasn't he? Ah well.........

Honestly though, I've always felt like my family don't talk to each other. More like at each other. Like I said, it's been a few years now. We're all getting older. My glam sister is getting long in the tooth, as am I. Maybe she's mellowed. I'll try to go into the evening not expecting the worst but I won't hope for the best either cause that's where I always get myself into trouble, and end up depressed for days afterward.

Watch and learn. I'll think of you Barb while I'm doing so. :)
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Lea, I SO glad the dizziness is starting to abate! Good thoughts for continued improvement.

Gershun, this is your family that makes fun of your being "sensitive"?

Can you go and pretend you're "an anthropologist on Mars"? (That's a quote from an Oliver Sacks piece on Temple Grandin)

Don't engage; watch, take in their behavior towards each other and you. You might get some insight.
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So glad you are feeling better,
enjoy your Christmas Lea!!
Our son and his wife and DD and her fiance are coming with cat and dog in tow .
Turkey and trimmings since we weren’t altogether Thanksgiving this year .
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Thx Lea, I think you are probably right.

This has been a long standing thing. Since childhood actually. I never put two and two together until I became an adult. I always thought it was my own insecurities at play and there is that. But since I don't feel this way around everybody then there is that too.

Not to go on too much but I've always thought my family were mean spirited. I always feel scrutinized around them. Never a pleasant feeling. I plan on dressing casual, minimal makeup and they can accept me as I am. In the past I always panicked cause my sis is really high on appearances. But I'd rather err on the side of looking neat and clean. Not looking like I don't give a sh*t but also not looking like I care too much. Ya know what I mean.
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Gershun, I dont believe its a sign of weakness on your part to feel a certain way in front of family. I was just telling Chuck the other night how TWO people in my entire life have been known to bring out THE WORST in me. My mother and my ex husband. And for good reason, NOT for nuthin or bc I'm weak. And there are some people who bring out the BEST in me, like Chuck and my bff since 4th grade. Just is what it is. My ex is as toxic and mentally ill as it gets, who refused to acknowledge it and lost EVERYTHING good in his life as a result. And my mother was a mentally ill person who refused to acknowledge it her whole life also, and what her behavior was doing to her family and her little girl. I'm not saying I'm a saint or anything like that, but I AM saying that THEIR behavior is what caused ME to feel stressed out in their presence all the time. And rightly so. So I divorced the old man and kept limited contact with my mother, and firm boundaries as well.

If you go to Christmas and feel upset at all, put Plan B into action and vamoose OUT of there with a headache or the symptom nobody ever wants details on: diarrhea 🤣😂😁

Thank you NHWM and cwillie 😍
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Lea, I'm happy for you that your dizziness has subsided. I sure hope it sticks this time. Still praying........

We are going to sis's this year for Christmas. It will be first time getting together with fam since before covid. My family brings up a lot of bad feelings for me so I am approaching this with great trepidation. I'm only going cause I think it's the right thing to do. Facing my fears and all that psycho babble. I hope I'm not making a mistake. We shall see.

I've always wondered when I feel a certain kind of way around certain people is it their fault or weakness on my part? A bit of both I'd wager. Anyway............

Happy for you Lea!
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So happy to hear that you’re feeling a bit better, Lea. You’re always in my thoughts.
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So glad you're getting some relief from the dizziness, fingers crossed you continue to feel better!
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Back with an update: I'm finally feeling better from the crippling dizziness the IVIG caused me, 3 weeks later. My eyes are only a little improved using 2 drops a day. Today is 2 weeks since I saw the optometrist and got the referral to the Opthamologist. Was told I'd hear back from their office w/i 2 weeks but no word so far. Same thing happened with the palliative care team who ignored my request for a Paxil refill sent on 12/13. So I was going to run out and couldn't even get thru to their number! I called Dr Cs nurse and she spent the day yesterday trying to get in touch with someone from the palliative care team to call in my Rx. It came thru today so it can be picked up tomorrow. I guess there are no doctors available during Christmas so please DO NOT GET SICK OR NEED HELP IN ANY WAY 😑

We're having my DD and her fiance over on Sunday for Fra Diavolo (shellfish with spaghetti in spicy spaghetti sauce). Then the family on Christmas Day afternoon for chicken cacciatore in the crockpot I can throw together easy peasy. All the decorations are up and now the gifts need wrapping.

What's everyone's plans for the holidays?
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Lea, Keeping a good thought that the head and eye issues clear up. Cannot BELIEVE that you were sent to an optometrist instead of an ophthalmologist. What the actual, eff, is that about? Let's hope you get in quicker to the ophthalmologist--waiting till February is nuts.
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