Hi everyone,
You may remember me from some previous questions/posts. I need advice on what to do. I am in a very difficult situation with my Mother. She has always been a very narcissistic and manipulative woman. We have never had a relationship, but I was her only living child left to provide her care and it's difficult. Below is a link to one of my last posts.
Anyway, last Wednesday 3/30/2022 night I had to call 911 yet again for my Mother who was residing with me and I was her sole caregiver. She was ill and transported to the nearby hospital, where they found that she was having a severe COPD flare up and also a UTI. She was admitted to the hospital and stayed there until Sunday night 4/3/2022. I had told the case worker that I wanted her to go to a skilled nursing facility because she could not return back home. They made the arrangements and Sunday night 4/3/2022 she was transported to the SNF. Well I received a call from The Office of Senior Services yesterday afternoon stating that there is an investigation concerning elder financial abuse. I have not used any of my Mom's finances other than things that were needed to care for her, such as personal hygiene products, adult briefs and medications and that was with my Mom's permission. I have had her help with groceries and other necessities as she was part of our family household. There have also been accusations of other abuse. I need to know what my rights are and if I should contact an attorney, and what type of an attorney should I consult with about this situation. My husband wants to persue a lawsuit against her for my emotional pain and suffering stemming from my childhood to date. Because of this woman who birthed me, I suffer from severe major depression, PTSD and anxiety. She was never a Mother and she has made my life a living HELL. I followed what her neurologist and told me. He told me that eventually she was going to need to go to the hospital and once admitted I could refuse to bring her back into my home.
Hi Sarah,
I needed to reach out to you because I am in distress. My Mom has fell ill and was hospitalized last Wednesday night after I had to call 911. She was admitted to Pottstown Memorial and stayed until Sunday. I had arranged with the caseworker to send her to a SNF for rehabilitation before I could accept her back home. Well the very first day of her being in the SNF, she apparently was telling staff that I have been financially abusing her, verbally abusing her, emotionally abusing her, mentally and physically abusing her. I now am under investigation with The Montgomery County Office for Seniors as I received a call from 2 women Monday afternoon, stating that there is an investigation opened. I was totally blind sided and dumbfounded and did not react very kindly on the phone. Earlier that afternoon I had received a very creepy call from my Mom, she was speaking in a creepy, evil whisper stating to me "I know what you've done". I was at work and was really in shock by her voice and what she was saying. I said to her, huh, what, what is going on, what are you talking about? She replied again with "I know what you've done and I am having you investigated. You've been taking money out of my accounts all over the place and you are going to jail. Well as I said I was at work and could not go on with the conversation, because I was shaking and very upset, I told her that I could not talk to her and that I had to go, I hung up on her. I just figured that it was her demented mind and that she was angry with me for sending her to a SNF. But then as I stated above, I received a call from Senior Services when I got home later that afternoon. I am a complete nervous wreck and my anxiety is through the roof. I am depressed and feel I need some help again. If you could respond and let me know if I could get back into counseling with you I'd gratefully appreciate it.
Thank you,
I wouldn’t jump for a lawyer at this time. Take a deep breath. Answer honesty. Include your mother’s diagnosis and provide documentation of how her money has been spent.
Senior Services exists to protect vulnerable elderly, but they’re not out to get you. Won’t it be a relief when they review the facts and you can break away clean?
As far as suing her that seems like a long road that will simply be disruptive to you life and probably feed her narcissistic needs to me. Your husband is pissed and rightfully so, this is the straw that broke the camels back and I can appreciate the temptation for both of you to repay her crap by putting her in the same position but legitimately but unless you or your therapist feels this would be important to your healing why put yourself through the turmoil?
You have gotten yourself to the ultimate place by the sounds of it and I know it wasn’t an easy journey. You have more than covered your responsibility, real or emotional to your mother by taking her in and caring for her because you felt you should as her only remaining child, you have made sure she will be safe and cared for by not taking her back and putting her placement into the hands of the professionals and now you have the control. You don’t have to have anything to do with her care if you don’t want to, you can visit if and when you choose no guilt because her physical needs are met. My guess is she will continue to try to manipulate your life at least for a while but if you don’t give her the reaction she’s really looking for even if that means radio silence for a while it’s possible she will loose interest and put her focus somewhere else. I don’t know if she has any cognitive decline, if so that of course will come into play too. Again just my guess but hearing she was going to a NH and couldn’t go back to your house, wether presented as a strictly medical decision and need or as being because you wouldn’t take her back, loosing her control and ability to manipulate you or making herself the center of attention would have pissed her off either way and she would blame it on you. Try finding the humor in her twisted mind, I know this isn’t easy but the truth is while you have been the focus of her crap all your life it’s never really been about you. There is nothing you have done to create or cause her abuse or her unhappiness and there really isn’t anything you could have done to change it, I’m not sure she was able to change it either without a lot of professional help and since she didn’t recognize a problem… While looking at it that way is sad it may also give you the ability to look at her current antics differently. “Sending authorities after you” may make her feel superior but it’s just going to show her true colors so chuckle and shake your head. When her tune changes to “your house was miserable I didn’t want to be there anymore” you can smile and respond “well I’m glad we found a resolution then” when she demands to come for Easter you can say “oh the kids want to spend it with Joe’s family” and if she is abusive the visit is done, no prob
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So NOW I AM really concerned for you.
I recall that you said you sold your Mom's home and put it in account YOU had control over and you were asking about taxes. I told you at that time that the proceeds were Mom's and should be in her name, under her SS number. You said she had a gambling problem and you were trying to protect her money. I said you should act on account ONLY as a POA, and needed meticulous records.
If Mom is now claiming financial abuse, and you are being investigated, then yes, I would recommend a lawyer now, and I would get all of your financial records together with that attorney to prove there is no use of Mom's funds from sale of home onward, etc. Bring all your files and receipts.
I worried about you and told you how important it was, all that time ago, to get things separated and get good files and meticulous record keeping OR you could in future face fianancial abuse accusations. I am afraid that day has come. I am assuming you have excellent records, because that's what you will need.
Meanwhile, as I said, be welcoming to APS. Tell them all you have told us. Get all your files together.
Not only did I kept all the receipts for my mother’s diapers, wipes, meds, etc, I also keep an Excel spread sheet showing date of purchase, amount, what was purchased, where purchase, and who paid for it and how it was paid for (cash, credit card, ie check). I funded many of these purchases at the end and I was trying to avoid any wrongdoing claims.
Keep all the bank statements too. I actually kept copies of ALL THE bills.
Good luck.
I would talk to a lawyer though just to find out what your rights are and what you could be entitled to. You were caregiving for your mother and she was living in your house. No one has to allow another person to live in their house for free. No one has to caregive for free either.
You're entitled to have collected rent from your mother, along with her share of the household bills, and for caregiving services.
Talk to a lawyer just to ease your mind. Then stand strong. Don't let your mother or the nursing home intimidate you.
My mom claimed I overdosed her, when she did herself. If you get an attorney, I hate to say it, but it makes you look guilty. Only if they find something against you should you get an attorney.
As others have said, don't let her back in your home. Set boundaries and tell her she will have to stay in another place, AL or SNF. You can't keep doing that. Also you could ask the state to appoint a guardian for her to oversee her money/expenses.
So be compassionate, but not a doormat. If you have other siblings, let them know it's their turn. Stay away from her for a couple of months. She'll figure it out on her own once she has to.
The OP's mother is not the cause of her disability. She is an adult not a helpless and defenseless child.
She was not legally obligated to have her mother living in her house. Nor was she legally obligated to be her caregiver. She chose both.
The mother isn't responsible for her daughter's loss of income or her disability. Isn't that just a bit of a stretch here? If the daughter stopped going to work because she was caregiving for her mother, that was a choice.
The OP is of sound mind and perfectly capable of making her own choices and decisions. She made a choice to allow her abusive mother to live in her house. She also chose to be her caregiver. It ended badly, but God bless her for trying.
As for a lawsuit. That's ridiculous. The OP had an abusive, narcissistic mother. A lot of us did. She also chose to move this abusive narcissist into her home and become her caregiver. How could any court take a lawsuit like that seriously?
Her best bet would be to just cut off contact with her mother entirely and let the state take over.
I do wish you very good luck and as someone else said, please let us all know how it turns out.
The first time was so bizarre, I wasn't home and never could get a straight answer from either my husband who has Alzheimer's or them on what took place.
They would not tell me what the second visit was about until I let them into the house. Someone, reported me for isolating my husband, We were in the middle of COVID and were supposed to isolate so go figure. They were told that his family was not able to contact him and our guns were accessible to him. They wanted to talk to him separately so I left the room. I could hear murmuring, but when he called me to come back, I pretended I did not hear and I made him walk to me.
In my case, they wanted to see the kitchen and food. I also showed them the gun safes and explained he did not have the combinations, which he does not. I also gave them one of his niece's phone number and suggested they call her because we had taken dinner over to her house the week before and ate it on her porch. I also gave them the phone number of one of his friends who I made sure talked to him on a regular basis.
She complemented me on my cooperation and of course, I never heard anything from them and I cannot get any answers on either time they came by. I understand in my county that is the norm for the organization. In fact the County Board of Supervisor's is going to court to force them to turn over some records on a high profile case they were involved in.
We are old, so I did call an Elder Law Advocate (attorney) that I had talked to before. The first consultation was free. In my case, he said if they ever came back and wanted in the house, to have them call him first.