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I think some of the more judgemental responses failed to note this part of the OP's post 'I guess I am mostly venting'.

Give the guy a break, he's in a frustrating situation, regardless of how he got there, or what he should do. Dumping on him doesn't help, and sure as heck isn't going to win him over to your point of view.
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notgoodenough Jul 2022
I keep seeing posts here talking about responders being harsh and judgmental. Maybe I have a different concept on what being judgmental is.

First, I don't believe it's judgmental to disagree with someone. Being judgmental, to me, is asking things like "how can you have such a stupid opinion?" or "you are just the worst person in the world to feel that way". I don't see anything of that sort here on this post.

Secondly, he's not just venting; he did ask questions that 1) call for an opinion: "Is that selfish?"; "Is that excusable?" and 2) ask for advice: "How do I help my wife and her mother get through this?".

If you're going to ask questions, you have to expect you might get answers you don't like. If you're not ready to hear the answers, don't ask the question.
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First you post how little she does then complain that her moving away is abandoning everyone. If she does do little how would you even notice she is gone.

She has the right to live her own life. You can make her make the same choices your wife did. Mom needs to be in assisted living so everyone can get their own lives back. It sounds like your lives revolve around mom . That doesn’t sound healthy to me.
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Just because your wife has made the (questionable) decision to shackle herself to her mother's caregiving needs doesn't mean her sister owes it to mom/wife to also wear the chains.

You say in your post that you and wife were "sort of hoping she (SIL) would get more involved (with caregiving) as things devolved." Did you stop and think that maybe that's the real reason WHY your SIL moved so far away? To send the unmistakable message that she will NOT become the slave to caregiving that you all seem to think she should? You speak about how hurt your wife is over this - but has she hurt her sister as well? Has she been constantly haranguing her sister to give assistance to mom's caregiving, even though SIL has made it clear that she is not willing? If SIL were to come here and tell HER version of this story, might it go something like "My sister and mom forced me to move 1000 miles away because they wouldn't take no for an answer"?

Frankly, I commend her for taking the actions she did. And whether you will recognize it or not, she has done you a huge favor by removing any ambiguity over the situation - without a second "set of hands" it is going to be next to impossible for you and wife to manage MIL's care, in her home, by yourselves. Which I think you have already recognized but are having trouble communicating to your wife and getting her to accept it.

Your wife's thinking that her mom might need placement is spot on. The best way to help everyone in this situation - wife, MIL, SIL and yourself - is to help your wife and MIL make the placement.
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You shouldn't tell your sister in law anything. You'd do better to listen to her, because there are clearly reasons for her decisions that are hidden from you and possibly either not known or dismissed by her mother and your wife, too.

Here is the outsider's understanding of what you have told us, to recap: your SIL has had little involvement in MIL's care, and no more to do with the family than duty demands. She makes decisions and plans to secure her future as a single woman without dependants. Your wife's and your MIL's reaction is to go into hysterical mourning and treat this as a personal rejection, an act of spiteful selfishness on your SIL's part that means she must be forever dead to them.

Your SIL may have had a whole lifetime of this b/s. My first guess is that she is making an escape bid.
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Moderate dementia and lives alone?

That sounds neither wise nor safe.

No one's life should be held hostage to a parent's unwise choices, especially a parent with dementia. It's time for a new plan.
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You wrote quite a bit about the fractured relationship between your SIL and the rest of your family.

Your MIL NEEDED residential care years ago, and now needs residential care EVEN MORE.

Your SIL is NOT “destroying” your life. She has done you the BIGGEST FAVOR anyone could have done.

She has shown you, in a very dramatic way, that your MIL NEEDS 24/7/365 care, and that your wife is losing her life by not taking active measures to provide that.

What should you tell your sister-in-law? You should tell her that you appreciate her courage and strength. SHE did not “hurt” your wife, she made a difficult decision and took GOOD CARE of HERSELF.

Your wife was needs to do what her sister did. I hope you and your wife can make a decision that will provide SAFE and HUMANE CARE for her mother, and thereby GIVE YOUR WIFE THE FREEDOM TO LIVE HER OWN LIFE.

Doesn’t she deserve it?
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Kristen2037 Jul 2022
Agree. It seems like some kind of AL (where she can transition to memory care) is needed.
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Your sister in law has a right to live her own life. She is not obligated to sacrifice her future financial security by staying in a situation that is not financially feasible for her. Let me ask you, if she were to stay, and down the road became unable to make ends meet, would you be willing to help her? As for mom, it likely is that now is the best time to start planning to place her in a home. The caregiving requirements will soon be too much, and would also be too much even if sis was around to help.
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I read your post from Nov 2019. Is MIL still hoarding pills to kill herself if she is forced into a facility?

The good news is that you live in CA, which only has a 2.5 year lookback period for Medicaid. Of course, Medicaid may or may not be a possibility in your MIL's case. Since she still owns her own home, that might sell for a pretty penny in the LA area, correct? And that could fund her living in a facility.

Your W never had a good relationship with her mother, and now she knows that she is increasingly going to become her mother's caregiving slave. What happens when MIL can no longer safely live alone? Can she still live safely alone?

Just as your W's sister moved away to live her own life, does NOT mean that your W cannot take HER own life back, too.

Does someone have POA/HCPOA? Your W?
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JoAnn29 Jul 2022
I didn't see that post. Was OP posting under a different name?
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"Is that selfish?" 🤔

You may get many replies advising how sister should stay & provide equal care.

For the sake of balance.. here is the other viewpoint (imho)...

Is it selfish to want to work to earn? Live where you can afford housing? Live within your means?

Is it selfish to take responsibility for your own life?

Is it NOT or LESS selfish to continue to live outside your means, to continue to rent, to offer your services as caregiver for free, to be tied by family servitude expectations at the very real risk to your own health, happiness & financial future?

Think about why she is leaving.
Think about why you want her to stay. Think about the expectations you have.

My advice is not to fall into the 'we are the victims here'.

Respect your SIL's choice as an independent free thinking adult. What's to be gained from telling her to stay? Just hurt on both sides. (The more you try to push, the more she will pull away).

It's OK to feel SAD she is leaving..

I say, if you need more help with MIL - arrange it.

I am truly sorry if I appear rude - not my intention.

I have prior experience of others wishing to tell me where to live, to cease paid work to provide free family labour, h3ll even not to move away as their pets may need future sitting! I was called *selfish* for putting my housing needs above everyone else's convenience. My councellor told me to move 4 hours away - minimum. For self-protection.
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notgoodenough Jul 2022
Nah, Beatty, they called you "selfish" because you wouldn't do what THEY wanted you to do!

It's the very definition of irony.
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