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This is certainly an issue for me tonight. A short recap of my story: My parents both had severe mental illness when I was growing up. Mom had borderline personality disorder and Dad had severe clinical depressive episodes. They were (deep down, I believe) good people who were handicapped by diseased minds. I can see that as an adult, but it made for a crappy childhood many times, and I have few happy memories of times with them. Dad was out of work more than in work, Mom was of that generation where moms didn't work, and so family finances were nil. They had no extended family to help with anything, and so our lives were defined by mental illness, great family financial stress, and few sources of help.
Fast forward to my adulthood. In my late 30s and early 40s (while raising 3 boys of my own and working full time) my mother developed early onset Alzheimers. Dad did his best to care for her but ultimately the last 2 years fell on me. When it was over, I was so burned out there was little left of me. (another story for another time, but those of you who have cared for an Alzheimers patient understand, I'm sure). On top of that, the years of caring for her took a toll on my marriage. After she passed, I spent the next 2 years having to pull my marriage out of the toilet and that just further left me feeling burned out and like an emotional zombie.
During this time of burnout and emotional zombie-hood, my father started needing more and more care. I just didn't have much left to give. I gave lip service to his care--made sure he had groceries, took him to doctor's appointments, picked up prescriptions, and called once a day to check in. Those are all good, but he honestly needed more. He needed to be in ALF or in my home getting more daily attention. I knew that, and I chose to ignore that because I just didn't want to give one drop more. I prayed for the Lord to just take him. And I didn't pray from some altruistic desire for his suffering to end. I prayed because I didn't want to be the one taking care of him. I think I would have done better for him if I wasn't already burned out from the years of mom's care, but maybe that's an excuse.
Anyway, this week we placed Dad on hospice care and he has about a week left. I'm wracked with guilt realizing that this is exactly what I hoped for. I never wished ill for him and certainly never wished he would suffer, but I did wish he would go away and I would be released from the responsibility to care for him. I'm just still stuck in emotional zombie land with nothing to give anyone, including my own father. How he ended up on Hospice is another long story but he likely would not be dying if he had been receiving better/more engaged daily care and attention. I know that, and I'm ashamed for not doing more to see that he got that care. And I'm ashamed for wishing he would just go away so I wouldn't have to put energy into finding ways to get him that care.
Oh, this is so hard.
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XenaJada Nov 2020
Im so sorry.
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You know who she is, because you have told us that right here. For some reason of your own you have kept contact with her; I won't ask because I am certain it would take a book to tell me. Perhaps consider now cutting back on that contact in a way that allows your better angels to come to your shoulder. It might allow you to feel a bit more compassion, rather than this dread and grief.
As to it being wrong to want someone to die? No, really, gently, it is not wrong imho. My parents lived to mid 90s, and were no longer comfortable at the end, were suffering. When they died, loving kind and marvelous that they had always been, what I felt for them was relief. I helped my bro in the last year of his life when he was, at 85, diagnosed with probable early Lewy's dementia. He was afraid for his future. He was the rock in my world, Hansel to my Gretel in every dark wood of my life. And I felt relief for him when he died before Lewy's could do its worst. I miss him. But he is with me in my heart.
You are witness to great suffering. You cannot even comfort yourself with knowing the person you are witness to had a wonderful life. You are desperate not to see it, and there isn't a question in my mind that if you had a magic want you would wave it and all the suffering would be gone from your Mom, from you, from all the world.
Be gentle on yourself. Your wishes for release for all involved is the opposite of evil. It is filled with grief and goodness. Know that there are many good people of faith (I myself am an atheist) here who have prayed to their gods to stop the suffering.
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I, too, wish for my mother to pass. She was mean when we were growing up, but it was probably because she was overwhelmed. All of us married young to get away from home and had a great deal of difficulty maintaining a relationship with her. However, 15 years ago (when I was 50) my husband, at his suggestion, and I moved 600 miles to be closer to my parents. They were in their late 70s and were independent but needed help going to doctor visits because they didn't understand or remember what was said. As time progressed they needed more and more help until I was spending most of my nonworking hours at their house. They finally moved in with us 2 years ago when my Dad (91) entered hospice and Mom (89) kept trying to get him out of bed. My brother had installed security cameras in various rooms of their home so we could make sure they were safe. If I wasn't watching and a sibling was, and there was a situation, they would call me and I'd go over and make sure they were OK.
My dad passed away 2 months after they moved in with us (Parkinson's, with a fast and sad decline) and Mom still lives with us. The first several months were difficult because she was focused on their finances. She also has dementia and couldn't remember what was said, couldn't remember that she had a memory book that showed everything, couldn't remember that Daddy had died, worried if there was money to pay for his funeral and headstone, etc., and it was very trying. My brother and his wife had put their lives on hold for about 9 months before my Dad passed. They live a few hundred miles away but put a travel trailer on my parents' property and were here weekly. However, shortly after Daddy passed and things were "settled" I felt abandoned because everyone else's life went back to normal and I still felt I needed support to help with Mom.
My mom is a precious little lady now, sweet and tiny (97 pounds fully dressed) and we get along well. I call her my little baby doll and she is very appreciative of all the help we provide (bathing, dressing, basically all of her ADLs except for eating)....but I still am looking forward to a time when I am not responsible for her.
She is ready to go, and when she passes, I don't think I'll have any regrets. I used to feel bad, but she "exists" more than lives. She feels bad that she needs so much help, but like I said, she is very appreciative for everything we do. I know I'm blessed because she isn't demanding and mean like some the rest of you care for.
I think most of us feel guilty for wanting our loved one to die so we can get on with our lives, but as long as we are caring for them in a loving way while they are here, there isn't any reason to feel guilty.
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NeedHelpWithMom Nov 2020
I am sorry Janice. It’s very hard.
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Acknowledge that you would like your mother to die and have all this negativity be over with. Don't punish yourself by judging whether the feeling is "right" or "wrong."

You can probably find support to help you feel justified in feeling the way you and you would like to feel less guilty about these feelings.

Feelings are whatever they need to be. If you "deserve" to feel guilty, then accept that you may feel bad about yourself over this, but don't let it overwhelm you. If you acknowledge how you feel without trying to justify it, it will have less impact on your life.
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JoAnn29,

Do I hear you saying that this thread should die?

It does seem to be a living topic for many.
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NeedHelpWithMom Nov 2020
I don’t understand how the threads work. Some go on forever! Other good topics are shut down or never even in the rotation to be answered. It’s strange.

Sometimes one comment will shut down a thread. Ridiculous! Just delete that one comment and allow others to post on the thread.
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This is a post from 2012.
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The thread will shut down to comments when a period of six months has passed without comment. This is an issue for many.
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It's not bad to want someone who's suffering not to suffer any longer. None of us want our loved ones to suffer.

Someone else posted a heartless "I wish she was dead" post a couple of weeks ago, because the loved(?) one was interfering with the poster's plans for her dream wedding. There was no compassion for her boyfriend's mother's health, and it was instead all about her. That's wrong, because she never seemed to grasp that she was completely devoid of any empathy for an older person whose health and life was declining and they weren't doing it gracefully enough for the poster.

You are certainly allowed to wish your mother peace. It will come one day.
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Sarah3 Nov 2020
I didn’t read that post but if the mil was as you describe interfering in their wedding plans that’s wrong period, regardless of the persons age. Age can be used as a tool or excuse to manipulate or get a pass on unacceptable behavior. My sympathy or empathy for this would be with the bride to be not wanting her special day interfered with
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Better question is it wrong to hope someone is no longer in pain!
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I feel the exact same way about my narcissist and decades of an abusive mother who is completely ungrateful for all I have done for her. She did not deserve my help. She has completely isolated herself from family and has no friends. I am the only living child that speaks to her now. My sister has been estranged from her for 10 yrs. I, myself was estranged from her for many yrs too. But got a call from Adult Protective Services and Social Worker from across the country from me that she has some dementia and would be placed on Medicaid, (loose her SS and pension) and moved into a group home if I did not take responsibility for her. I felt badly and moved her back and into assisted living. She is negative, mean, Demanding and ungrateful. Ink cares about her own needs. Never asks about Me or my kids and family.
I too look forward to getting a call someday to put an end to her misery and give me some freedom from it.

I do not feel guilt thinking this and nor should you. Life is short and we have the right to enjoy ours.
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I am in the same situation but a different boat. My mother, who has been unhealthy for years, suffered several strokes three years ago that have basically bedridden her other than going to bathroom and into living room for meals, and to do that we have to be there to help her up and stay beside her or she will fall. We then help her into bed. We care for her 24/7, 365 a year. She can hardly hear, see, and has many other ailments.

We work full time, with vacations taken at home spent taking care of her, or burning sick time at work to take care of her. I ask myself this question, and being a Momma's boy, I'm racked with guilt, grief and tears when I wish she was no longer around in such pain and misery, and yes, in my way. However, she loves my brother and I and forgives everything we say or do, saying she would rather die at home with us caring for her, even though we sometimes take out our resentment of caring for her on her in words and deeds. She deserves so much better than we can give her, IMHO, which I've told her. And of course, our sister and other family members offer no help other than sending food, clothes, holiday goodies, and other stuff to her. Some never call to just check on her.

I don't think it's wrong to think and feel this, but it sure hurts like heck. I try and remember if I live long enough, I'll be in the same shape. But I wouldn't want to be here in that shape myself.

Good luck, my parents seemed superhuman to me as I look back at my 8 year old self...how cruel life seems to me now though.
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Hi Timmy. After reading your comment, I thought I'd share something with you that a Catholic priest said to me not long ago. He told me that he prays for his 91 y/o mother to die on a daily basis. That she deserves to die, to be with God, finally, out of pain, and onto the next leg of her endless journey of life. "Death" of the physical body is just that: the end of the body. It's the spirit that lives on eternally. His mother suffers from dementia & lives in Assisted Living, as my mother does. He & I spoke at length about whether it's 'wrong' to pray for a loved one to die, and he smiled broadly when he said 'absolutely NOT'. It's the right thing to do, in fact, to wish someone a better life that is free of pain and suffering.

And for you, my friend, you are doing more than enough for your mother. I hope you can see that and FEEL that, because I'm sure that SHE does. You are only human, and as such, doing your very best which IS good enough!

Wishing you all the best.
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If someone is suffering horribly why wouldn’t you want them to die? Yes, I do think this is completely normal to want their misery to end.

You will miss them but also be relieved.
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I wish for it daily........
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Our Mothers must be related somehow, because my mom is never and I mean never happy never has been and never will be!!! She is 82 has alzheimers/dementia. She loves to make everyone around her miserable. She even told me she was going to make my life miserable! So I know exactly how you feel. Thanks for sharing just knowing that I am not alone in this feeling is a big help.
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First let me answer your question. No, I don't think it's wrong for you to hope your mother dies, as long as your hope is done in a way that it doesn't leave you with unending guilt. Your mother is a tremendous burden for you. You have taken care of her to the point of complete exhaustion with no relief in sight. You're looking for a way to end your devotion that you have lived with for so long. All of these things are leaving you with trying to find a way out which is normal.

I'm assuming you have already looked into placing your mother in a nursing home which would give you instant freedom from what you are going through. If I'm right then things will remain as they are, but you do have another option that will help a little. Have you inquired about home health care? Your doctor has to order it and if approved your mother would get weekly visitations from a nurse and both physical and occupational therapists, and possibly an aide that will bathe your mom. It's a little bit but it would at least give you some free time. There is one other possibility. If your mother has very little income she might qualify for Medicaide which would pay for her nursing home stay. Your mothers state that she resides in has to be one that has a Medicaide program that will pay for her NH stay.

Getting back to your question. My wife was extremely ill with so many health problems that made it difficult to help her. I was at her side daily. I too hoped her end would come so her suffering would stop, but I did it through God, and admittingly I did it for myself. I was worn out. I don't think I did anything wrong by asking God to end my wifes suffering. It was the only thing I could think of to help her.

My wife did pass away and I did feel guilt for what I had done. I went to my church and told the priest what I had done. It was a confession and God forgave me. But I have to tell you, I still have thoughts about praying for my wifes life to end. It will never end and I strongly believe I did the right thing.

May you find help in some way. Talk to God. Tell him your story. He'll be listening.
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The OP posted this in 2012, 7 years ago.
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Im so glad you said that: you want her to have some peace. I said that and everyone jumped on me!

My mother is a 91 rotten to the bone woman. I have a childhood that no one would want a re-do on. I walked away a few months back and at one point I made the comment about wishing that she may find some peace in passing and people went NUTZ thinking that I would even think of her having peace! I still feel that way, even thou there is no love, no emotional attachment, nothing...but as a living breather person I would rather peace over anything, this world or the next.
I think its because my slate is clean, Im not who she labeled me as. Im not "just a blood clot that learned to walk and talk" as she says when she refer to me- her only child.
Thru having her as a mother, I will not wait to sit and rot. In my legal papers, I have already printed and dated a DNR form should something suddenly occur. Once I get a dx thats terminal or figure out for myself that the good days are really and truly gone, there will be away to leave here with dignity. I will find peace for me.
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A so glad u are honest. Amen....
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To the point of where a parent is continually miserable, whinging and a general narcissist, making all around them just as miserable, no I don't think that you're wrong to wish them dead. I have been lately wishing my father to die because he has caused such unhappiness amongst my siblings and me. My husband is seriously fed up and he is by nature, an extremely caring and understanding man. I know a lot of people here may be upset by my thoughts but I can't feel.bad anymore.
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Lily8467 Nov 2019
Does he live with you? If so maybe you could make other arrangements for him.
Forgive me for this Im just going on what you have written. If your Dad is very sick feeling miserable and is in pain I would say its that you dont want him to suffer anymore and wish he would pass away so he would be have peace. But to wish to pass away as he made your family miserable. This is my opinion, to me thats wrong. My Dad was 91 and he died last year. I wished him to die as he was very sick and was miserable. He wasnt a happy camper for years and caused us misery .
But what I would give to hear his voice and see him just one more time
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My mother in laws personality became worse as she got older like your mother. I despised my mother in law because she was mean and never had a kind word for me.
My husband would never stick up for me in all the years his mother and step father would verbally abuse me. He would always insist that I was wrong and that she never said anything about me and I hated him for that.
I like to think of myself as a tough woman but it ended up destroying a lot of my self worth after 50 years of it.
If I had to deal with her like you are with your mother then I am sure I would wish she would die. It is the only way your suffering will be over.
I am sorry you have to endure her. Pattylou
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Totally get it. I’m in a similar situation and wonder if I’m going to loose my mind sometimes. I’ve lost any semblance of myself and my own needs. In Europe the elderly people can go to a care facility which is paid for by the government! Why in in hell do we not have the same systèm? What does an elderly person do who has no loved one caring for them? What would your mother do if you were not able to care for her? I often wonder about this? It seems so unfair.
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No, not at all, and there are so many reasons why, I could write a book instead of a response.
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My wife, just like your mother, had an enormous amount of physical and mental illnesses that kept piling on. Toward the end when she found it difficult to speak, she would say to me, " please, please, please ", a thousand time over, every single day. I knew what she was asking for and I continued to ask God to end her suffering. I don't think it's wrong to wish this for a person that is so critically ill and shows no promise of improving. You're not comfortable hoping your mothers life will end, but you have to make a choice between having things stay the way they are or wish for her end. When her time comes I know you will feel no guilt, you'll be okay.
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Right or wrong BelleFleur...I ask God to take a patient I lived in with the past 2 yrs! Shes been in a nursing home the past 5 weeks in her last stage of dementia and has cried day and night to die for the past 6 months! She was on roller skates 4 yrs ago at age 92 and today at age 96 this sick, discussting, brain eating disease has left her totally helpless and hopeless!!!! Its the worst way to live that Ive seen and I will never understand this hell of a way to suffer!! Id rather be dead than have this disease!!!!
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No not at all. Unless your wishing she died, out of anger,spite or being annoyed by her negativity. Your feelings are valid and if she is that miserable physically mentally
and in pain, it would be a blessing for her to go peacefull.
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Heck no. HELL no, it is not “wrong.” When life has been reduced to some pitiful clinging existence, dependent upon all kinds of mechanical contrivances, then time to let go! The medical community will want you to prop ‘em up, plug ‘em in, feed ‘em by tube...at exorbitant expense, and little, if any, quality of life. Out, out, brief candle.
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Windyridge Sep 2019
Emma,

Liked your no nonsense response above. I watched my mom suffer long beyond what she should have and my dad is lingering in memory care as I write.

Out, out brief candle.......Well said.
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Your thoughts are yours and yours alone. We have these wonderful brains which can imagine all sorts of scenarios, both good and bad. You go ahead and imagine any scenario you like. No one will be the wiser. You do not need to feel guilty for having thoughts. In fact, live it up and make those scenarios as crazy as possible, and then come back to reality. Take a little trip to "how I wish it was", and then return to your life.

The only exception to this is when someone ACTS upon their thoughts. When someone can't differentiate between what is real and what is not, then you have delusions and possible psychosis, and all bets are off. As long as you are not acting upon your thoughts in order to harm someone, you're good.
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I understand your thoughts on your mother's situation. I have a similar one living with us, our home has been taken over by her,we stay in the back room as it is hard to spend time with her. Depressed(on antidepressant), recent fx pelvis and hip. Has her pitty partys, complains about everything, nothing is ever her fault. Does not want to try meeting others at senior center to enhance her life. Always negative! She is 93 and miserable. But she has always like feeling the victim. Makes us feel down and drained with her. It's a strange feeling thinking someone and others would be "better off" when they die. It's normal but not spoken of. We have tried different tactics for mood, talk about fun times,(none), show amusing things on utube, cut off theanipulation and victim by ignoring and not feeding into it. Very little results seen, but we keep at it for our sanity
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No, it’s not wrong. The last time I saw my dad I came home & prayed for God to take him because he was suffering so much & there was no chance of him getting any better. I was just happy for the last few months of his life that I got the time to spend with him.
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Not at all. So very tired of hearing all about how important her things are.
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If you are at the point qishing someone dead then maybe youre at the point you want your role to end... so end it. Walk away. Hold your head up high and know u deserve YOUR life.... she had hers. You have yours.
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Thanks. I walked away today with the same thoughts.
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I wish you peace and applaud you for speaking truths.
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Your thoughts are not wrong. Unless you are psychotic or delusional, your thoughts will not lead to any bad outcomes, because they are your internal thoughts, they are yours, and you can think whatever you want. You do not have to share your thoughts with anyone.

You can care about someone's well being but without actually loving them. You may or may not grieve when someone dies, and that is dependent on your feelings and emotions.

Think about it this way. You can say anything you want to yourself. As long as you don't do something harmful or illegal, no one need be the wiser.

I say stop feeling guilty right now. You own your thoughts. They don't own you.
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