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Could this be true? I saw a girl on Facebook whose grandmother was snatched out of her own home by the police. Also, when they snatch the elderly, they block the relatives from visiting them in the nursing home. Could this be true in any part?
ive read a good bit about this possibility. in the stories on google , there are only one or two that seem to be legit. if you read the laws on senior conservatorship it all boils down to the elders self determination with the courts. wrong or right the elder is usually permitted to live their life as they wish. there are plenty of hospice and medical social workers who might desire to pull this off for kickbacks , spite or judgemental thinking but that doesnt mean a judge will let it slide. judges have to refer back to the laws in place. the family doc is your go to person for any decisions affecting his / her patient. not even a judge can sway a docs decision.
I'm simply appalled at this. As the Captain says, for right or wrong elders who haven't been proven incompetent may be swayed by fast talkers into this kind of a scam. I haven't heard of anything like this happening in my area but we have the highest rate of non-profit nursing homes in the country and also some of best rated care homes. Not that bad things can't happen anywhere, but I'm grateful for what we have. The idea that this can happen literally makes me ill. Carol
Interesting! I was thinking along the lines of the nursing home plot or a cult like group rather than family feuds, but I'll admit family feuds aren't terribly rare. Sometimes the motivation to "snatch" may be money and sometimes it's compassion, but sibling issues are a big problem in elder care so I can see where 'granny snatching' could be a bigger issue than most of us (including me) have thought. Thanks for sharing this. Carol
If you read between the lines on grannysnatching, you will see that it is really about a battle over Guardianship when the elder person was deemed incompetent in court.
many of the granny snatching accounts i read on google seemed to have critical details amiss too. thats why i say only a couple seemed to have legitimacy. hospice steadily hinted at a care home for my mother too but i felt it was just hateful , sexist rhetoric directed at myself , a male caregiver. mom wanted to be in her home with her son and her parrot..
Cook County (Chicago) probate court watchdog groups, podcasts, shows, and blogs are in abundance here, and leveling similar accusations as this one, and there seems to be more facts/links to multiple court cases to back up the claims. Here, the county has even begun pooling financial resources from elders that court appointed guardians make wards of the state, then all of the individual assets go into some murky unknown cash pool that supports/pays out who knows what… yes, I read all of that online about here, in Chicago, and it honestly seemed legit to me. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist - actually the opposite. So… looks really ugly in a couple of distinct locations, perhaps. If anyone here is interested to read for yourself, send me a message, I will give you the URLs of message boards I'm talking about.
Family disputes, whether in greed or sincere disagreements over what is best, are lamentable and happen far too often, to read the posts on this site. That is bad enough. But it is a far cry from some profit-making organization sending the police out to snatch vulnerable elders from their homes.
I see that many state lawmakers are addressing the issues of guardianship loopholes and risky practices. Good! But lets not rush to a conspiracy theory about government agencies if the primary problem lies within families.
This appalling to say the least. I all check this out for my state.
About 2 years ago a woman posted on this site her mother who had been placed in a NH. Her mother was unableto care for herself and the daughter could not do it. A night shift employee convinced her mother to assign her as DPOA and she would take care of her in her home. The daughter was not allowed to see her mother who was neglicted and died while the care workertook all her money and the house. Does anyone else remember this post?
Captain, reminds me of the slogan used by Probate Shark site: "Illinois - where our Cook County Probate Court Judges should make our license plates."
There seems a high level of disturbance among local citizens about the happenings of the Probate Court here, and specifically accusing Probate Court of assisting in fleecing elderly of financial assets using variety of civil/legal tools. Its been awhile since I read about it all, around Fall 2011 - before I ever got on AC - but it made an impression.
i must give the usa credit. we have corruption but nonone is above the law ( imo ) . the judge in PA who was throwing kids in boot camp for personal gain is doing about 12 years in the slam. elders hold the bulk of the wealth in this country and will prob'ly always be targets for exploitation. an elder advocate had better keep their eyes and ears open and develope good relations with family doc. im unofficial advocate for aunt right now and poa and grandkids havent hit her for a dime in 9 months. i hope im key figure in all their bad dreams..
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I. How We Work in Washington.
Based on your preferences, we provide you with information about one or more of our contracted senior living providers ("Participating Communities") and provide your Senior Living Care Information to Participating Communities. The Participating Communities may contact you directly regarding their services.
APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
II. How We Are Paid.
We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
III. When We Tour.
APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
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hospice steadily hinted at a care home for my mother too but i felt it was just hateful , sexist rhetoric directed at myself , a male caregiver. mom wanted to be in her home with her son and her parrot..
I see that many state lawmakers are addressing the issues of guardianship loopholes and risky practices. Good! But lets not rush to a conspiracy theory about government agencies if the primary problem lies within families.
About 2 years ago a woman posted on this site her mother who had been placed in a NH. Her mother was unableto care for herself and the daughter could not do it. A night shift employee convinced her mother to assign her as DPOA and she would take care of her in her home. The daughter was not allowed to see her mother who was neglicted and died while the care workertook all her money and the house. Does anyone else remember this
post?
There seems a high level of disturbance among local citizens about the happenings of the Probate Court here, and specifically accusing Probate Court of assisting in fleecing elderly of financial assets using variety of civil/legal tools. Its been awhile since I read about it all, around Fall 2011 - before I ever got on AC - but it made an impression.
elders hold the bulk of the wealth in this country and will prob'ly always be targets for exploitation. an elder advocate had better keep their eyes and ears open and develope good relations with family doc.
im unofficial advocate for aunt right now and poa and grandkids havent hit her for a dime in 9 months. i hope im key figure in all their bad dreams..