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I was considering home care for my mother after her stay at the nursing home rehab following a fall. It was her second fall of late, but she admitted others to me. She has limited mobility in both arms, and was diagnosed with dementia. Her memory, judgement, and insight are poor.
While in rehab, I visited her apartment. I saw the place was unkept, stale food and roaches in the refrigerator. It appears she was mismanaging her medications, and mismanaging her finances. She was spending money impulsively, buying the same things over and over. There were unopened amazon packages, and unopened mail.
Going back home is the one and only thing my mother wants or ever talks about, and she has tried to escape the nursing home rehab 3 times already.
I realized with me being thousands of miles away, it would be very challenging to think she can be safe at home with a home care aide there for only half the day. NY has temporarily paused 24/7 care. The nursing home feels she has a shot at Assisted Living, instead of remaining in the nursing home.
I think to myself, can this aide manage medications, cook, shop, clean, get her to doctor’s appointments, and do her laundry, among other things. What happens when the aide leaves? Will she fall? Will she go out and forget where she is? Assisted Living makes more sense. But I am plagued with guilt, especially knowing how much she will fight me on this.
Sometimes I know I have to do it, and other times I make excuses for her, thinking she may be able to handle things at home. Mostly I am plagued with guilt and worry that my putting her in Assisted Living with bring her to tears that will never end. And that she will always hate me.
Am I wrong to rule out home care? Does anyone have any advice to cope with guilt??

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I was a caregiver for both parents, and they insisted on staying at home. They lived until 92 and 95. I had to get caregivers for dad, who died of cancer but also had dementia. It required one 24/7 live-in caregiver plus a relief caregiver for daytime when the 24/7 had to go out (personal business, day off, sick, etc.) Also other relief caregivers who would spend the night when the 24/7 couldn't be there, plus others to help with moving him during the day, the Hoyer lift, showers, etc. The 24/7 was paid $275 per day, the others ranged from $25 an hour and up, and the 24/7 got her $275 if she was there or not. We had a housekeeper once a week, paid separately. I was there often to help out - cooking, shopping, taking dad out to walk. This was many years ago.

Then after dad died, mom insisted on moving home from assisted living. She had dementia. We kept the same caregivers because they were wonderful and mom liked them. Same pay. Both parents took more than 5 years altogether to die. Add it up. It was expensive, and I wish they'd each gone to AL, then memory care in the same facility. Why? Because I had to manage all of this plus their business. It was exhausting. It cut into my own earning power for the 5+ years. Repairing the house, keeping the CGs happy, scheduling doctors and making sure they got there, managing their money, and there was no end. For over 5 years.

At some point, it is wise to do what's best for you, not the crying elder. They are the ones who got sick, and they couldn't help it, but they could stop being selfish and think about the younger generation that they have burdened with responsibility that they never planned for or expected. The elders have lived their best lives. You haven't.

Your mom appears to be unable to live at home even with care. That is not your fault, so ditch the guilt. Think instead about the guilt you would have if you brought her home and she came to harm that wouldn't have happened if she'd been in a care facility with a team of professionals to look after her. If you find the right AL, mom may end up enjoying her life more than she would at home with a part-time aide who really can't provide the advanced care your mom certainly needs. One aide cannot do all that you describe. I wouldn't for one minute leave your mom at home alone, ever. Not with those symptoms.

I wish you luck in finding the best place for her.
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From what you say, it appears she needs 24/7 IN A FACILITY. There’s a roach infestation in her fridge. That’s not part of a caregivers typical tasks to deal with. She is way too advanced. I mean, you have actual pictures of real roaches in her refrigerator and that is not horrifying her. Theres your answer.

The only way you should be agreeing to any assisted living arrangement is if Medicaid pays for it. Otherwise no
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It's time for more care than assisted living. She needs a memory care facility or skilled nursing. Guilt and worry are normal, but she is to the point a facility is needed. It's not your fault she needs more care. You would feel far more guilty if she got hurt at home or the home care worker never showed up. She won't always hate you. My mom was mad I had her placed, but she enjoys the snacks I bring her each week. You might want to try journaling your feelings to help out. That helped me to look back and see how far we have come.
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I placed my mother in Memory Care Assisted Living when her dementia demanded it. As her POA, it was my JOB to keep her safe, clean, fed and socialized. Medicated on time daily, seen by doctors in the facility too. If she chose to hate me as a result, so be it. Someone has to be The Bad Guy when loved ones with dementia "want" to stop bathing, run around at 2am outside, throw their meds in the trash, eat molded food, stop cleaning their environment, and do things otherwise not safe or fit for human beings because their brains are no longer working properly. Who but WE are going to keep them safe from themselves?

Guilt is inappropriate in this case. Unless you'd also feel guilty for sending mom to the hospital with a broken leg. Because it's the same math. She is not competent to make her own decisions now, so you are making sound ones for her.

I'm sorry we're put into such positions in the first place. But we are and we do the right thing out of love and concern, which is what you are doing.
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With regular Assisted Living, residents are generally free to come and go as they wish. What your mother needs is a secure Memory Care unit. This is for her safety. The staff will actively keep an eye on her, make sure she gets what she needs. They will store her medication, bring it to her on the correct schedule, and ensure that she takes it correctly. They will prepare the meals and snacks, and go get her when it's time to eat -- no food sanitation issues. They will have activities scheduled, coaxing and encouraging her participation, including safe exercise, plus PT and OT if prescribed by her doctor(s). If she has another fall, staff will be there to deal with it, but there will be safety features in place to help minimize the risk. And she'll have socialization with other residents as well as staff.

No need for guilt. This is for her safety. How guilty would you feel if you knowingly let her stay at home and the conditions decline to the same level? She'll adjust. I hope you are able to accomplish what needs to be done and that you'll have peace about it. Let us know how things go.
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From your description of your mom, I don't think AL would accept her. AL is what it says. They give some assistance, but not full care. She needs a higher level of care than they can give. Please consider memory care or skilled nursing. Unless you can afford 24 hr in home care, those are your 2 options.
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I think Memory Care would be a better option.
She would get more care and the higher level of care that she seems to need.
(I will say that I am of the opinion that someone with dementia as you have described should be in MC not AL)
I know she wants to go home.
You can have the doctor explain that this is another phase of rehab. You can continue to discuss the matter as she improves. this way telling her she can't go home just yet is not on you it is "doctor's orders")
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Based on what you describe, I would agree that remaining in her home with part time aides seems to be no longer a good option.

When my mother reached that stage - and I had POA - I moved her into the nearby assisted living she, herself, had previously chosen. She was furious and upset anyhow, so expect a strong negative reaction no matter what you do.

Others here say it sounds like she ought to be in memory care now. Maybe. But the assisted living my mother moved into was small, and in a small town where everyone, staff and residents, knows everyone. It was not a large, anonymous sort of place (many of which are excellent, but less personal).

The intake nurse at this assisted living said that based on my mother’s test results she should go immediately into memory care, BUT, they were okay with her going into the assisted living side so she could keep her cat with her. As long as she wasn’t a wandering risk (“eloping”), they’d manage. They also let me know when it really was time for memory care from their care perspective. It worked out. That took about a year and a half for that move.

So, ask the questions like that of the assisted living you’re looking at.

And, of course, ask, “What happens when the money runs out?” Big, important question.

I would also suggest you have a good hospice company evaluate her for hospice for dementia, and hospice care based on that. That was a tremendous asset. Assisted living places love the outside services for dementia hospice, as those people take a tremendous load off of them, and let people stay in assisted living safely for longer. Medicare fully paid it. The hospice for dementia was especially wonderful when my mother did move into the memory care side of the place. The hospice she had was 18 months long, renewed every six months.
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The line between assisted living and memory care varies by facility. My mom with Alzheimer's is able to be on the AL side of her community because she has never once tried to go out the door and leave, and the door has receptionist staff who will redirect her if and when she tries some day. At that point I will move her to the MC side. For now she is find in AL with some a la carte services like medication management, where they order, store, and dispense all her meds to her multiple times a day as prescribed.

Either way, yes, it's time to move her.
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oh hell no!!!! keep her in AL even if a different facility and have her declared incapable to make her own decisions
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Unsafe in many ways. Plus being exit seeking, she will need a locked MC
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I think you know you are right to be considering Assisted Living.
You do not deserve any guilt for making this decision for her. She needs help and you can provide that help for her by ensuring she is safe and secure, with all the chores done for her, meals prepared, social activities available, and help with managing medications and personal cares as needed. You can move her familiar furnishings and photos or decor to her assisted living apartment so that it feels like home to her. She can live as independently as she is able in an assisted living apartment, but with added help and services to make her life a little easier.

As for her "going home", (everyone wants to go home) AL can be her new home.
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Your mother requires a memory care facility. No guilt decision.
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I think you need to tour some places. My mom has moderate Alz. She is in the regular AL side. They know which residents can come and go. We would never have tried to put her in the MC side--those residents are much more advanced. There is a difference between needing help with ADLs because of mobility problems vs needing help because you forgot what to do. The facility can help you make the right decision.
Also: It doesn't have to be all or nothing. You could put her there for a month or two respite and tell your mom it is just on a trial basis. Also tell her she can go home if it truly isn't working out but give it a shot. She might get used to it quickly. Also, a lot of ppl trick their cognitively impaired parents by telling them it is a rehab place. If my mom had been coming from the hospital or rehab, that is what my family would have tried.
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Roaches in the refrigerator.
Yes, it sounds to me like she needed to be in a facility months or perhaps over a year ago. No one livikng like this is able to care for themselves.

Discuss with a facility administrator and her MD.

You reside far away. She needs ongoing care.

She will never agree to go. No one with dementia or living like this (unable to care for themselves) will agree or 'want to' move. Yes, she may be in tears and this is very normal. She is scared and confused and doesn't want change.
You need to make decisions based on what is needed for her well-being and realize that she will be distressed initially. She will adjust (perhaps with volunteers (friends, neighbors) visiting that you'll need to arrange), perhaps facility socialization activities.

It will take time for her to adjust.

Coping with guilt - when you do what she needs for her well-being, your feelings of guilt will subside or certainly change; I believe you are feeling uneasy, if not grief, of how she is living, and the changes she is going through requiring more daily care.

She is living with cockroaches in her refrigerator. This is a major red flag.
You do not want her living like this.

Visit facilities either near you (move her) or in her area.

Home care is a 24/7 need. It gets extremely expensive and there is no medical staff available to manage needs as they come up.

* She will have professionals in all areas (medical, social workers, department managers) in a facility AND you will be able to get reports from them of how she is doing / her needs as they change.

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I read what you wrote and yes AL or LTC is the best place for her. She can no longer live alone.

I think you should contact an eldercare lawyer to try to get her on LTC Medicaid.

I was able to do that for both my parents in NYC. It is worth a consultation. I really thought they would not qualify, but they did..

She has dementia. Her brain is broken. It is your job to keep her safe. She no longer gets to make any decisions involving her care going forward..

DO NOT FEEL GUILTY. You did not give her dementia. Good luck.
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You have to make sure you have power of attorney, both financial and health. You need to get added to her bank accounts. You need to understand and accept her limitations, not feel guilt, and take steps to insure she is safe. That is nothing to feel guilty about altho i have to say i sometimes feel guilty too. My mom wants to move in with me and that is a non-starter! Safety first and, like a child, she will adapt.
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Assisted living can be done at home or facility many of which have independent as well assisted living. Assisted living is not affordable by many. Medicaid has waiver programs. According to the level of care Medicaid will provide a case manager who manages care, medication management, housekeeping, cooking, bathing, doctor and hospital costs, durable medical equipment, transportation and more for the individual. The only thing that may cause concern is a $50 allowance per month but consider the services provided for free. The timeline from applying for a Medicaid waiver until granted varies my the urgency of need. Figure anywhere for 2-6 months. Start the process by calling your local agency on aging or if your mother is hospitalized a social worker can do it.
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Assisted living facilities generally won't accept persons who need as much care as your mother needs. Sounds like she may need to be placed in a memory care facility. Assisted living leans more toward the independent side offering assistance. The employees generally have 20 to 25 residents per aide so she would not get the individulaized care she needs. While every facility is different and every state has their own guidelines, every assisted living facility I've worked at,a resident must be able to self evacuate in 13 minutes when we do fire drills. A resident must be able to keep their rooms at least somewhat tidy. The residents are also responsible for getting themselves to the dining room for all meals. The facility usually charges extra for things like laundry being washed and any extra care beyond the normal scope. Housekeeping is usually included but that is limited to cleaning the bathroom and maybe vacuuming and dusting. Also, she would need a nurse to dispense her medication, most facilities charge a high fee every month for that. Hiring and aide for half the day is a bad idea as she obviously needs round the clock monitoring. I understand your feelings of guilt but at least she would be somewhere safe where she is taken care of, her safety should be priority over anything else.
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You are not wrong and you are in good company here. Many on this site have struggled with the same decision - including myself. I can tell you with certainty that her inability to take care of herself when she is alone will only get more pronounced- not better. What creates more guilt - leaving them to their own devices only to get sick or hurt with no one there or finding a decent assisted living where there is always someone there? If you can place her close to you or other family that is ideal. That is not just to make visiting easy. Placement in AL is not a “set it and forget it” proposition. You, or some family member, will have to monitor and advocate for good care. She will need adequate hydration, nutrition, hygiene and socialization among other things. The only way to come close to that at home would be 24/7 care - a financial impossibility for most people. Many ALs also have memory care wings if she needs that, but sometimes people rally in regular AL and don’t need memory care - yet. Make sure you have POA over financial and medical care and definitely monitor her bank accounts and credit cards because AL care is expensive - she will need her $. She will miss her home and be homesick - that is the hard part. You will grieve too - for the person she was and the familiar place where she lived. It’s ok to feel sad, but know that you are doing the best you can for her. Sometimes we have to make hard decisions. Best of luck.
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Assisted Living and possible even LTC facility is the need. I am also in NY, personal experience that at home care with state Mediciad is very unreliable. Short staffing will have you scrambling to cover call outs and no shows 100% of the time and that is very unfair to you.

Please replace guilt with grief as that is the more correct feeling you are experiencing now. You did not cause your mothers decline so you should not think it is guilt you are feeling. Grief is normal. You need to place your mothers NEEDS first and formost over wants. Safety is a major concern and she needs to be at a place where she is safe and her wellbeing (and yours too) is top pority.
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My in-laws had 24/7 in home care through an agency. The service mostly went well until someone got sick (usually at night) and the agency couldn't find a substitute so a family member had to fill in. After MIL passed we placed FIL into a MC facility. There always were around the clock staff, planned activities which he looked forward to, and the food was nutritious and good! I think it was harder on the family to put him into the facility than it was on him. Initially he thought he was on a cruise ship and wanted to know where the activity coordinator was!
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