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Parents are not well and in their eighties. Dad has a heart condition and mom has Parkinson’s. My oldest sister lives with them and has mental health issues. They refuse to move back home to be close to family even tho they are increasingly isolated and just barely made it through a hurricane. Father is flexible but mom refuses.

Just a thought. Have you considered moving to Florida? Either temporarily or permanently.
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Mountaingirl72 Nov 12, 2024
I recently just moved myself to New Hampshire. About a year or so ago. Both my husband and I hate Florida lol. If they needed me I could probably go and stay a few weeks but that’s it.
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Mountaingirl72: Unfortunately you may have to abide by their wishes.
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I don't see why you insist on making them move. Especially at their age.
They are happy where they are, and do not need to do what you want.

If your brother, or anyone, has POA, then it is that person who will make decisions in your parents best interests.

Daughterof1930 said it well; at this point all you can do is wait for an event which will force change.
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Mountaingirl72 Nov 1, 2024
Making the move???? I’m here asking advice on how to persuade my parents not “ make them” move close to family because they are in poor health and it’s hard to help them. I don’t need this attitude when I’m looking for advice or support on this board. Others on here have been more helpful and understanding. Geez 🙄
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You need to find out for sure who is POA and he should live close to them. The POA may need to be updated. MetLife will not accept mine that my mom did in 1993. Everyone else has allowed it so far. If no relative lives close to be POA and assume all responsibilities, then that is a reason for them to move.
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People have a dream where they want to live the rest of their life. Find a way to support their wishes.
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Mountaingirl72 Nov 12, 2024
Of course and they’ve been there 10 years and if they were in good health and not as isolated as they are I wouldn’t be concerned. People need to be more respectful on here.
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Mountain, something to keep in mind…… should they leave FL to go back to the NE and they own a home in FL (so title is only in the parents names) AND they decide to keep the FL home as the mental issues Sister lives in the house, should they get to the point once back in the NE, that they need care in a facility and end up applying for LTC Medicaid to pay for their NH costs, that out of state home will be considered a nonexempt asset. As the FL home is nonexempt, they will be ineligible for your States LTC Medicaid for how most States administer their program. Which then dovetails into who in the family will private pay for their facility or have them live with them.

To retitle it to Sissy, unless it’s 5 years from now (end of 2029), the transfer will be considered gifting of an asset for most States. It places a transfer penalty. Stuff like this will surface. So please pls pls give the financial logistics on this some thought. Often parents just stay put and flat refuse to move away out as they want to provide that home for the living with them child.
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Assisted Living is cheaper in Florida than the north east ., maybe they would agree to that local move .
At least it gets them more help .
They wouldn’t be as isolated either , having a community of people their age to have meals with , activities , outings .
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Anxietynacy Oct 24, 2024
Way, that's really interesting, I didn't know that.
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My mother was in assisted living in Florida for about five years. She had a two-bedroom two-bath apartment with a screened porch. It would have served very well for three people such as your parents and your sister. Weekly housekeeping, 24-hour nurse, help with medical appointments and transportation, covered parking, entertainment. If your parents would sell their house, they could probably afford it, and you'd be off the hook for all of the above, at least for a while.

Moving them close to you sounds like a great idea until you actually have to do all those things for them. And by that time, there's no escape. You're like a rat trapped in a maze. Don't be the rat.
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JuliaH Oct 29, 2024
Well put Fawnby! Becoming a caregiver is giving up your life for theirs and it's a physical/ mental/ financial burden. I couldn't imagine doing it without having POA on top of that. Also, don't feel like a rat for doing what's best for everyone, yourself included.
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They just barely made it through a hurricane and you want to move them to Florida?

That sounds counter productive.
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waytomisery Oct 24, 2024
No she wants to move them back home from Florida .
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Stubborn elders . I wish I knew the answer . We couldn’t get my FIL to put his foot down with his wife with dementia to move back either . He was letting her drive decisions . Then she died and we finally moved him back up north .
Does your Mom have dementia ? , that goes along with Parkinson’s often.

You’ll probably have to wait for an emergency to force a change , if Dad won’t put his foot down . Assisted Living in Florida is an option for your parents , but the adult child with them is another issue , where would she live ? Can she afford her own place ?
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waytomisery Oct 24, 2024
A long distance move may be overwhelming to your mother , hence her resistance .

A lot of elderly find it difficult to even do a local downsize move when they wait too long .

My FIL wanted to move back up north sooner. He let his wife with moderate dementia rule though. He should have put his foot down , he was struggling caring for her and she kept firing the aides .
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There really is never any way to get anyone to move somewhere just because you feel they would be better, safer and have more support. That's your opinion. Clearly they are chosing to remain where they are. You can suggest it; that's it. Then say "Well, if you change your mind, let me know, and we will hope I am still in a position to help you manage this move." That's it. You may eventually get "the call" that one of them is down and the other cannot give care. That will be, sadly, when you, if your sister is mentally incapacitated will have to make a decision as to whether you go there and try to find them placement in care, or whether you allow the state to assume guardianship and handle things.

I think the one thing you can do is make it clear by letter what you will NOT be able to do in these circumstances: As in
Dear Mom and Dad:
If anything happens to you now--and the recent catastrophe in your area proves--I cannot come to help you. If you expect our support in future you will have to move back home nearer to us. I will leave the choice of that to you, but understand I am helpless to help YOU from here.
Love, MountainGirl.

Best you can do. Then just give up on this and live your life. You will get "the call" soon enough and have to deal with it soon enough.
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waytomisery Oct 24, 2024
I agree with this . Set boundaries of what you are willing and not willing to do .
We are currently telling our LO who should not pleasure travel many states away , not to expect us to rescue her , should something happen . She will have to pay a lot of money to find a way home via medical transport . She also refuses to assign POA , we are not getting involved with her travels .
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If they are mentally sound it’s their right to live where and as they please, even if it’s not the best place. The important part is being sure they have appointed someone trustable as POA for healthcare and financial decisions for the time when each of them cannot make sound decisions for themselves. Parents their ages should not name each other, but someone at least generation younger. If they refuse this and you cannot reason with them, you’re in the common club of “waiting for the event” an inevitable time when an event happens to one or both of them that will force change. No one enjoys waiting for it, but it will come. I wish you peace
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Mountaingirl72 Oct 24, 2024
Thank you. Yes it’s a waiting game unfortunately
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Denmentia goes hand in hand with Parkinsons. Does anyone hold POA on your parents? Can u talk them into at least an AL down there?
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Mountaingirl72 Oct 24, 2024
POA is my brother I believe
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Please consider what will happen if you bring them home, I know that you want what's best for them, but that will more than likely, lead to 5 -10 years of your life, being a caregiver.

We all want what's best for them, but when we get into this we don't understand or think about the ramifications of it all.

Will they live with you?
How much of your life are you willing to give up?
Financial ramifications?
What's going on in your life?

There is much to consider before you go there.
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I love snoopy too lol! Sister is probably more cognizant of issues at this point. She has an eating disorder and anxiety depression etc and basically doesn’t leave the house but does help them out. At this point they would have to wait to sell the house or rent but mom not budging. Yes it is tough thank you
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Anxietynacy Oct 24, 2024
Oh mountain girl, that stress for your sister is not good either. I have food issues, when I'm under too much stress I stop eating, if it goes on too long then I'm in a very bad place.

Caregiving burnout was putting me back in that dark place, because my mom was in control of my life, when I have no control, I go to the only thing I can control, which is food.

So I'm sure the caregiveing is very unhealthy for your sister too.

Have you considered AL for your parents, at there expense, not yours!
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Does either of your parents have any cognitive issues? And the mentally ill sister — are the parents going to even consider not continuing to live with her, or are they (mom, dad and sister) unfortunately kind of a package deal at this point?

This is a tough situation. I hope others have more insights and suggestions for you.
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