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First, you "just wanted to see if people would use it in response"? This is a forum for people trying to take care of their families and/or friends, not a forum for test questions. If you read some of the other posts you'll find people who are battling and fighting through a world of hurt, anxiety, financial distress and emotional pain. To use them as a sort of test subject is offensive.
Second, you're a marketer yourself. You state you're fighting against the kickback issues. But for what kind of marketing agency do you work? Are you competing with other home care agencies? Without knowing more, I'm wondering what the real story is.
Third, What proof do you have that kickbacks are in fact taking place? It wouldn't surprise me, but you're making some serious accusations that marketers are paying off "planners, doctors and nurses."
I'm not a health care professional; many of my friends and relatives were. Although this is only a microcosm of the healthcare field, I personally find this accusation offensive, especially since from what I read of your post, it's because you're competing with this rather than because it may influence care of patients.
The medical field is a demanding one, with a lot of sacrifices made in terms of remuneration (because of so many limits by insurers). I think these people need admiration, not accusations.
Fourth, I'm really shocked that you ask about a way to "win over healthcare providers legally to refer patients to a (sic) agencies?"
Seriously, do you want us to do your career homework for you? I think if you ask that question, you might to consider a line of work that doesn't rely so much on "winning people over".
I can't help feeling that there's a lot more behind these probing questions and that the real story isn't being shared.
If I'm mistaken, I apologize in advance, but my gut reaction is that this is kind of like some of the broad questions posed by students too lazy to do real research work.
Sorry no one has answered. Not really sure what u mean. Here were I live we only have two homecares that are able to bill Medicare. The others are independant agencies that u pay for services. It usually works like this. Hospital stay, Medicare/supplement pay for. If found therapy is needed, rehab. Medicare pays first 20days. From 21st to 100 Medicare pays 50%. Hopefully a supplimental will pick up most or partial of the balance. After 100 days you pay out of pocket. From rehab u may get homecare. It depends who is in ur area that bills Medicare. You should be given a choice. Medicare usually pays for 45days and thena reevaluation. I don't think a SNF gets any benefit from this.
I'm not sure what your concern is either. When a patient leaves a SNF, the treating physician will sign a script for follow-up home care, if it's needed, to provide continuity of therapy, nursing care, etc., as the patient progresses.
I'm not aware that there's any financial consideration for referral, but I do know and have experienced social workers at SNFs attempting to direct home care to specific agencies. This happened twice with the same SNF; the social worker ignored the fact that I told her who we wanted and went ahead and contacted what I suspected is their preferred home care agency. I had to be firm with her and make it known in no uncertain terms that we wouldn't be told who will provide home care. Once I had to go above her to her supervisor.
There may be some kickbacks or under the table arrangements; it wouldn't surprise me.
As to whether SNFs get paid by insurance - if the person Is covered by Medicare, is showing progress and meets standards for SNF care, yes, Medicare will pay, within certain parameters.
My only experience with someone who wasn't old enough for Medicare was that her insurance covered all her costs, but it was a top notch policy.
I'm not sure what ratings you're referring to and/or how it reflects on the SNF.
I have a feeling something has happened that's prompting you to make these inquiries.
Thanks for the support. I guess I wasn't alone in suspecting the poster's intentions. It's sad that someone is so callous toward the people here who really want helpful questions and answers.
By proceeding, I agree that I understand the following disclosures:
I. How We Work in Washington.
Based on your preferences, we provide you with information about one or more of our contracted senior living providers ("Participating Communities") and provide your Senior Living Care Information to Participating Communities. The Participating Communities may contact you directly regarding their services.
APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
II. How We Are Paid.
We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
III. When We Tour.
APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
IV. No Obligation or Commitment.
You have no obligation to use or to continue to use our services. Because you pay no fee to us, you will never need to ask for a refund.
V. Complaints.
Please contact our Family Feedback Line at (866) 584-7340 or ConsumerFeedback@aplaceformom.com to report any complaint. Consumers have many avenues to address a dispute with any referral service company, including the right to file a complaint with the Attorney General's office at: Consumer Protection Division, 800 5th Avenue, Ste. 2000, Seattle, 98104 or 800-551-4636.
VI. No Waiver of Your Rights.
APFM does not (and may not) require or even ask consumers seeking senior housing or care services in Washington State to sign waivers of liability for losses of personal property or injury or to sign waivers of any rights established under law.
I agree that:
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I authorize A Place For Mom ("APFM") to collect certain personal and contact detail information, as well as relevant health care information about me or from me about the senior family member or relative I am assisting ("Senior Living Care Information").
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APFM may provide information to me electronically. My electronic signature on agreements and documents has the same effect as if I signed them in ink.
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APFM may send all communications to me electronically via e-mail or by access to an APFM web site.
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If I want a paper copy, I can print a copy of the Disclosures or download the Disclosures for my records.
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This E-Sign Acknowledgement and Authorization applies to these Disclosures and all future Disclosures related to APFM's services, unless I revoke my authorization. You may revoke this authorization in writing at any time (except where we have already disclosed information before receiving your revocation.) This authorization will expire after one year.
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You consent to APFM's reaching out to you using a phone system than can auto-dial numbers (we miss rotary phones, too!), but this consent is not required to use our service.
First, you "just wanted to see if people would use it in response"? This is a forum for people trying to take care of their families and/or friends, not a forum for test questions. If you read some of the other posts you'll find people who are battling and fighting through a world of hurt, anxiety, financial distress and emotional pain. To use them as a sort of test subject is offensive.
Second, you're a marketer yourself. You state you're fighting against the kickback issues. But for what kind of marketing agency do you work? Are you competing with other home care agencies? Without knowing more, I'm wondering what the real story is.
Third, What proof do you have that kickbacks are in fact taking place? It wouldn't surprise me, but you're making some serious accusations that marketers are paying off "planners, doctors and nurses."
I'm not a health care professional; many of my friends and relatives were. Although this is only a microcosm of the healthcare field, I personally find this accusation offensive, especially since from what I read of your post, it's because you're competing with this rather than because it may influence care of patients.
The medical field is a demanding one, with a lot of sacrifices made in terms of remuneration (because of so many limits by insurers). I think these people need admiration, not accusations.
Fourth, I'm really shocked that you ask about a way to "win over healthcare providers legally to refer patients to a (sic) agencies?"
Seriously, do you want us to do your career homework for you? I think if you ask that question, you might to consider a line of work that doesn't rely so much on "winning people over".
I can't help feeling that there's a lot more behind these probing questions and that the real story isn't being shared.
If I'm mistaken, I apologize in advance, but my gut reaction is that this is kind of like some of the broad questions posed by students too lazy to do real research work.
It usually works like this. Hospital stay, Medicare/supplement pay for. If found therapy is needed, rehab. Medicare pays first 20days. From 21st to 100 Medicare pays 50%. Hopefully a supplimental will pick up most or partial of the balance. After 100 days you pay out of pocket. From rehab u may get homecare. It depends who is in ur area that bills Medicare. You should be given a choice. Medicare usually pays for 45days and thena reevaluation. I don't think a SNF gets any benefit from this.
I'm not aware that there's any financial consideration for referral, but I do know and have experienced social workers at SNFs attempting to direct home care to specific agencies. This happened twice with the same SNF; the social worker ignored the fact that I told her who we wanted and went ahead and contacted what I suspected is their preferred home care agency. I had to be firm with her and make it known in no uncertain terms that we wouldn't be told who will provide home care. Once I had to go above her to her supervisor.
There may be some kickbacks or under the table arrangements; it wouldn't surprise me.
As to whether SNFs get paid by insurance - if the person Is covered by Medicare, is showing progress and meets standards for SNF care, yes, Medicare will pay, within certain parameters.
My only experience with someone who wasn't old enough for Medicare was that her insurance covered all her costs, but it was a top notch policy.
I'm not sure what ratings you're referring to and/or how it reflects on the SNF.
I have a feeling something has happened that's prompting you to make these inquiries.
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