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People can have insurance and be on Medicaid. I take it that your son has some kind of disability? With many chronic conditions the costs of treatment and especially care exceed what insurance covers. The insurance is still used, but Medicaid pays for needs over and above that.
I'm assuming that your ex has custody of your son. He is primary parent and lives with your son in another state, correct? What probably has happened is that almost every time that dad has to deal with anything medical for the kid, there is a issue. He is not the policy holder, he does not have access to the account or any standing to do so as it is insurance provided by you. And you are not there to deal with any conflicts or confusion on coverage and do any co-pay. So dad has to deal with co-pay or total reluctance of providers to accept & process a claim. Or providers want a substantial deposit as it's not his insurance - and providers have to always be concerned that an insurer won't pay or issues with coverage when parents are divorced.
If dad is now low income and qualifying for Medicaid; then children in his household I bet automatically get enrolled in Medicaid or CHIP. For dad, this may be a good way to make health care simpler for all. If a parent is eligible for Medicaid, then having the kids also covered makes sense for the program as it makes managing care more co-ordinated. Kinda like how if you are on SSDI you also qualify for Medicaid.
If he told you about it, it doesn't sound like he is being sneaky. Now when your insurance finds out that Medicaid or CHIP is now available to pay, they are probably going to shift all or most of responsibility of payments to Medicaid or CHIP. There could be some blowback on this with the providers. Like say your son was seeing an dermatologist who takes your insurance which pays a higher reimbursement rate. But once he is on Medicaid & if there is a cross-over period of payments, your insurance could do a claw-back of payments as Medicaid can now pay. The providers are in a tough spot when this happens as they will bill the policy holder - which is you - for the difference or if they do not take Medicaid, then bill you for the whole private pay with no priority discount that the insurer negotiates. The clawback period can be for several months. With bills taking months or even a year + to run through the bill / rebill / clawback / rebill cycle. I had to deal with this with my mom once she became eligible for Medicaid in 2011. I got a bill this August from a pharmacy provider who got the clawback and it's 3 years ago! So both of you need to be aware of this.
Obamacare changed everything effective January 1, 2014, for example, eligibility was expanded to 133% of the federal poverty level. Jeannegibbs is correct in saying that Medicaid/CHIP is separate from private insurance. Medicare and I would also presume Medicaid varies from state to state. If you have concerns, I would go to the Medicaid website and see if that gives you some illumination.
Dual insurance is not unusual. Since they are on Medicaid now, you probably are required to notify your insurance company of the change. Leave it at that.
My son is not disabled. His father works. The insurance is really good and covers everything with a small copay of like 20 dollar doctor visits. It doesn't seem right to me.
It doesn't sound right to me, either. Are you sure this is Medicaid? How would your son be medically eligible for Medicaid? There must be more to this story. Are you thinking that the application was fraudulent?
I am thinking that it has to be fraud. I don't understand needing medicaid when you have full coverage insurance. I will check the website out. Thanks.
Your son and his father would not both be receiving Medicaid unless they BOTH were eligible medically. If one has an expensive chronic illness only that one would be eligible. I wonder if his father is not insured through his work and he simply signed up for healthcare insurance through his state plans, and also covered his son. Not "Medicaid" but some other insurance plan. Why do you think it is Medicaid?
My children were covered by both my health insurance and their father's for several years. One insurance pays first and the other one covers any deductible, etc. This is perfectly legal.
His father told me today that he and my son have medicaid now. He said that they were going to sign him up for the CHIP program but that he qualified for medicaid. Neither of them have any disability. I called the WV medicaid office but they had me on hold for a substantial amount of time. I will try again in the morning. I understand that you can use both, but don't understand how he qualifies when I am paying for everything? It seems to me that he may not have told them about having insurance at all.
From the Medicaid.gov website: The Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) provides health coverage to eight million children in families with incomes too high to qualify for Medicaid, but can't afford private coverage. Signed into law in 1997, CHIP provides federal matching funds to states to provide this coverage.
It seems that the son has private coverage through his mother and therefore doesn't qualify.
The father, however, may qualify for the Basic Health Program due to inadequate income - 133% to 200% of the Federal Poverty Level. This is spelled out on the Medicaid website as part of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) and is an option in each state. He may be confusing this with Medicaid. To qualify for BHP, he would have to be less than 65 years old, ineligible for Medicaid, and unable to afford insurance on the open market or through his employer.
It's all so confusing, but this could be a legal issue if he is fraudulently obtaining CHIP. After all, it's a government agency. Hope you get this settled...
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APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
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If dad is now low income and qualifying for Medicaid; then children in his household I bet automatically get enrolled in Medicaid or CHIP. For dad, this may be a good way to make health care simpler for all. If a parent is eligible for Medicaid, then having the kids also covered makes sense for the program as it makes managing care more co-ordinated. Kinda like how if you are on SSDI you also qualify for Medicaid.
If he told you about it, it doesn't sound like he is being sneaky. Now when your insurance finds out that Medicaid or CHIP is now available to pay, they are probably going to shift all or most of responsibility of payments to Medicaid or CHIP. There could be some blowback on this with the providers. Like say your son was seeing an dermatologist who takes your insurance which pays a higher reimbursement rate. But once he is on Medicaid & if there is a cross-over period of payments, your insurance could do a claw-back of payments as Medicaid can now pay. The providers are in a tough spot when this happens as they will bill the policy holder - which is you - for the difference or if they do not take Medicaid, then bill you for the whole private pay with no priority discount that the insurer negotiates. The clawback period can be for several months. With bills taking months or even a year + to run through the bill / rebill / clawback / rebill cycle. I had to deal with this with my mom once she became eligible for Medicaid in 2011. I got a bill this August from a pharmacy provider who got the clawback and it's 3 years ago! So both of you need to be aware of this.
My children were covered by both my health insurance and their father's for several years. One insurance pays first and the other one covers any deductible, etc. This is perfectly legal.
I'd be curious to hear what you find out.
It seems that the son has private coverage through his mother and therefore doesn't qualify.
The father, however, may qualify for the Basic Health Program due to inadequate income - 133% to 200% of the Federal Poverty Level. This is spelled out on the Medicaid website as part of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) and is an option in each state. He may be confusing this with Medicaid. To qualify for BHP, he would have to be less than 65 years old, ineligible for Medicaid, and unable to afford insurance on the open market or through his employer.
It's all so confusing, but this could be a legal issue if he is fraudulently obtaining CHIP. After all, it's a government agency. Hope you get this settled...