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My father is at a LTAC for pneumonia. He has for the past 10 years used a ventilator at night for sleep apnea. He also has a tracheostomy that he has had for 10 years. The LTAC is mandating that we do a 24 hour learning block in order to bring him home. Im not against extra training but to stay 24 hours seems excessive. I can see if this was all brand new but its not. Im also a RN with a master's degree and have been in multiple fields of nursing for over 20 years. Is this a new law? 10 years ago when my dad had serious illness requiring vent and trach they didn't make us do 24 hr at the LTAC.

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Is it possible requests are made due to hospital legal counsel advising medical staff for fear of being sued should something go wrong?

I might be tempted to consult an experienced attorney to intervene with some sort of release document you would sign to circumvent the training. At the very least I would want something in writing explaining what the benefits would be to your dad and what documentation they have that their trainer is more qualified than you.
I might call in the manufacturer of your product to see what communication they have had with the LTAC if any…
You might be able to get a certification from the manufacturer? Just brainstorming here. I’m sorry you are being asked to do this.

No one should be asked to not sleep for 24 hours for something so redundant. . Especially with what is now known about loss of sleep.

Here is a link to check out your LTAC from the Medicare website if you haven’t already checked them out.

https://www.medicare.gov/care-compare/?guidedSearch=LongTermCare&providerType=LongTermCare
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I think I would ask them, if they expect ME to do 24 hours straight of training, will their trainer ALSO be doing it (the training) for 24 hours straight? When they tell you "no, that's ridiculous" tell them they should have the same expectations of their trainers that they do of their train-ees.
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Panurse25 5 hours ago
That's a good idea. Im going to ask them that. I feel this is retaliation for not agreeing to send him to the nursing home. Since, they feel the nursing home is better than home why not ask the nurses from the nursing home to do 24hrs non-stop? Also, what doesn't make sense is that he is also having home health upon discharge. I visit him every day for hours and I can tell you that in a 12hr shift I see a nurse come in maybe 2x. In the 25 days he has been there they have not bathed him. I have given him bed baths, I take him to the toliets, I do all his trach care and that includes suctioning when he had alot of secretions from the pneumonia. You would think that would be a liability allowing a family member to do all that. Most of the hospitals I have worked at didn't allow family members to even move the patient let alone suction a patient. To the LTAC he was an easy bed and easy money.
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24 straight hours? My daughters a Nurse and is not allowed to work over 16 hrs at a time. I would question how they can mandate that. Info I found.


A Long-Term Acute Care (LTAC) facility can legally require competency training for family caregivers before a complex discharge, but a rigid 24-hour straight stay requirement is generally a matter of hospital policy rather than a fixed state statute. Under rules like the CARE Act, facilities must provide proper instruction for complex tasks, but accommodations can often be negotiated. [1, 2]


Understanding Discharge Rules
Safety Mandates: Facilities must ensure a patient can be cared for safely at home before releasing them, especially if high-tech equipment like ventilators or trachs are involved. [1, 2]

Policy vs. Law: While training is required, forcing a continuous 24-hour block rather than split sessions is usually an internal institutional risk-management policy. [1]

Discharge Rights: You have a right to participate in the discharge plan, and you can request flexibility if a straight 24-hour stay creates an extreme personal hardship. [1]


Steps to Take
Request a care conference with the LTAC social worker, case manager, and nursing director.

Ask if the 24 hours can be split into smaller, manageable shifts or daytime blocks.

Offer a "teach-back" demonstration to prove competence without doing a full 24-hour overnight stay. [1]


Would you like help finding your state's Department of Health patient advocacy contact or a local healthcare ombudsman to discuss this requirement?
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With all your years in the profession of nursing, you should be able to approach them regarding this training and protocol, without being critical. I, too, am surprised at this protocol, but there must be a reason. If you learn anything about this, I would appreciate it if you could let us know. This is interesting. 24 straight hours of training for the average family member or caregiver seems way too much. Probably many caregivers are elderly or have medical problems of their own.
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Panurse25 6 hours ago
I am just surprised by all this. I will update you after I have another meeting. It just feels like they are wanting to make it hard on us because they are not going to get a kickback from the nursing home they want to send him too. I think its important to note that he has no dementia and prior to him going into the hospital he was fully mobile. They only sent him to the LTAC because he uses a vent at night. He is now a little unsteady because of the long stay and being in bed for awhile. He is not needing nursing home care. He is needing home care. Thankyou for your response. I'm so happy to have found this site. It really helps for emotional support.
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Ask them to distinguish between a law and a facility policy. I can't find a Medicare regulation that says a family caregiver must spend 24 consecutive hours in an LTAC before a ventilator/trach patient can be discharged home. Medicare does require the LTAC to develop a safe discharge plan and evaluate whether the patient can be cared for safely in the proposed home environment. 

Since you've been caring for your father's established trach and nighttime ventilator for 10 years—and you're an experienced RN—I think it's entirely reasonable to ask: “What specific competencies do you need me to demonstrate, and can I demonstrate them rather than repeating 24 hours of basic caregiver training?”

Ask them for the written policy requiring the 24-hour stay, who imposed the requirement, and whether there's a competency-based exemption or abbreviated training process for an experienced caregiver. I'd also ask whether anything about Dad's trach, ventilator settings, suctioning needs, oxygen requirements or emergency procedures has changed during this hospitalization. If something has changed, there may be legitimate new training you need despite your previous experience.

Don't frame it as refusing training. I'd say you're completely willing to demonstrate competency in trach care, suctioning, ventilator operation, alarms, emergency procedures, equipment changes and whatever else they require, but you want to know why a continuous 24-hour stay is medically necessary in this particular case.

If the discharge planner simply says, “It's the law,” I'd politely ask for the statute or regulation they're referring to. If it's facility policy, ask for a copy and request review by the case-management/discharge-planning director or patient advocate.
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Panurse25 6 hours ago
Thankyou for your response. Nothing has changed regarding the ventilator or trach. In fact we brought his ventilator from home to be used at the facility because they didn't have any ventilators. The settings are all the same. They did change his Trach to one size larger because they thought a bigger trach would help him clear out the secretions better. I feel this is a money ploy on their end. They want him to go to a nursing home for 100 days. I asked them why? Their response was oftentimes family can't handle the medical complexity. It's like they hear the word ventilator and get all concerned. His ventilator is the same as someone using a CPAP. It's like they want to max out his insurance so they are making it hard on the family. Sorry for the rant, its just upsetting.
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To the facility, you are a regular family member. For liability reasons, I can see why they have to follow protocols for caregivers or families. They are responsible for the patient's well being post discharge, and probably cannot make exceptions.
As a P.T., I have had to attend discharge meetings and instruction in transfers, mobility, exercises, etc. for my own family members, even though I worked at the hospital
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pamzimmrrt Aug 22, 2026
Plus in most cases vents are managed by respiratory therapists. even home care ones normally get the occasional RT visit to troubleshoot. i agree its likely a liability /insurance issue
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Tell them you are an RN with 20 years experience and have a Masters Degree.
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Sandra2424 Aug 22, 2026
It is still their responsibility to instruct the "family member" to avoid liability.
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