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I just joined this group and I’m so grateful to have found this place. I feel less crazy already. I’m struggling to find answers to a lifelong situation with my mom that seems to get worse for both of us with each passing year.


My mom has had mobility issues (due to a muscle issue in her legs) off and on since I was 15. I’m now 51. She became angry and depressed and at 15, I took over cooking, cleaning, shopping, caring for my sister and helped my dad run our family business. Her depression caused major marital issues because she was so angry and blamed my dad for everything she could think of. There were many years were everyone walked on eggshells and life was miserable until I finally couldn’t take the stress and pressure anymore and moved out with tremendous guilt for leaving my dad to deal with things. My mom and I had a very strained relationship for years. I got married in my early thirties and my mom hated my husband. I lost my husband in a car accident 2 years after we married. That seemed to be a catalyst for change in my dad. He ended up leaving my mom for another woman and I was left to pick up the pieces. She became suicidal and full of rage. I did what I could to help her regain her footing while I was grieving and trying to put my life back together as well. I eventually met my current husband and we bought property 2 hours from my mom. There were many crisis’ through the years where I would speed up to meet her at the ER or drive her many hours away to take her to a specialist. I would drive up every 2 weeks to mow her 3 acres and do whatever odd jobs needed to be done. Eventually money got tight for her and multiple times I would pay her utilities. She then couldn’t even afford her mortgage payment. Her mobility worsened and I knew I needed to get her closer to me. We ended up putting her house up for sale and started construction on a cottage on our property. My husband was not thrilled about the idea but on her limited income and ours, I had no choice. Not going to lie, building her a house with a budget of a little over $40,000 was the most stressful year of my life. I ended up having to have nearly a years’ worth of my own income to it just to get it finished. We got through it and it was relief to be closer to her each time a new crisis occurred. And there were many. There were times things were peaceful and calm and she was happy. But each time there was a new crisis and I needed to go care for her, within 2 days, the critical comments would start. “Why are you always so stressed?” “Why don’t you ever smile when you are here?” “Why can’t you be happy? I want to be around happy people!” Then she would start fighting my help. She would make everything as difficult as possible to frustrate me and push my buttons until I finally got irritated and left. She had extreme guilt over all I had done for her through the years and as the strain on me started to show, she would push my buttons until I lashed out and she could say “See! You don’t even want to be here. Get out!” We wouldn’t speak for a few days and then I was always the one to put my tail between my legs and go back for more torture because, you know… she’s my mom.

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Now fast forward to spring of 2021.  My dad’s second wife passed away.  He was an absolute basketcase and couldn’t be left alone.  So we let him stay with us for a while until he could get himself together.  With my mom 1/4 mile away and them not having spoken for nearly 20 years, it was a very awkward situation.  My dad was having PTSD and major cognitive issues from the trauma of his wife’s death.  My mom became very concerned about him and they started talking and hanging out together.  Eventually my mom wanted him just to move in with her.  I knew that was an absolutely horrible idea.  But he was so lost and vulnerable, he would have done it.  We decided a travel trailer for him would be a better option and we found a really nice one that he would be very comfortable in until he could get himself together.   They decided to park it right next door to her house.  Well as you can imagine, things quickly started getting tense.  My mom would text me multiple times a day complaining about what he did or didn’t do that she thought he should have.  Or what he said or didn’t say.  Constant griping!!  I felt like I was living in a soap opera hell I couldn’t escape.  Suddenly my peaceful respite from the world became my hell as I endured constant complaining from my mom about my dad  to the point I was taken back to when I was a teenager who couldn’t wait to leave the house.  Only this time, I had no where to go.  My repeated requests to leave me out of it were not honored.  And every time I had to take my mom somewhere I found myself trapped and listening to her non stop ramblings and complaints about my dad. It made me dread even being around her and it made my already strong resentment boil.   I thought I was doing right by both of them bringing them here so I could watch out for them where they would be in a quiet, peaceful and safe environment.  But it has turned into a hell for all of us.  Since my dad came here, my mom had one crisis after another.  Two dog bites, two major falls, a broken hip, blood clot, respiratory issues, worsening muscle weakness, skin cancer removal, you name it.  Each time the same pattern would repeat, I would go back to caring for her until she started fighting me and I would leave.  A year ago I had finally had enough and asked her to get some outside help.  She applied for Medicaid and was approved for over 20 hours of home help a week.  I was so relieved! She was approved just before she fell and broke her hip.  She was in rehab for 6 weeks and it was so nice knowing that when she got out there would be help for her and I could go back to being a daughter again.  Wrong.  No one showed up when she got out and we soon discovered they had no help.  We are in a rural area and they can’t find people to do this kind of work.  They offered for me to go through training and they would pay me $11 an hour to help my mom.  I said no because one…..$11 an hour for that kind of work is a slap in the face and two…..I would never hear the end of it from my mom if I was being paid to be there!  But since I told them no, my life has been so much more difficult because she constantly reminds me I don’t “want” to be there and fights me at every turn.  But then loves to lay the guilt on later about how hard everything is to do herself.  Everything hurts.  Everything is hard.  Everything is stupid.  Everyone is stupid.  Especially my dad!  An no one does anything or says anything the way she would because no one knows how to care for someone who is struggling as much as she does.  And then…..you never come over anymore!  I feel so alone.  I’m so sad my family has abandoned me!  Last week when she was released from the hospital again, I went over to fix her breakfast and she very stoically said “ I think I may need to go into assisted living.  I was shocked.  But I said “ok, I will check into it.”  I don’t think that’s the response she was hoping for because she quickly started coming up with excuses why it wouldn’t be
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BurntCaregiver Aug 2023
Please stop putting up with all this crap from your parents.

You are NOT your parents' parent. If your mother is being agreeable about AL, find her one and place her as fast as you can.
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wouldn’t be a good idea.  I sat down and started asking specific questions about her needs.  How often would she like to have help.  What can we change about her routine that would make things easier.  How can we modify things around the house to make it more accessible for her.  I got nothing.  No straight answers no communications just guilt and attacks on my character.  So I left.  The next day, I wrote and told her I would like the 4 of us to sit down and have talk that afternoon.  When we all got there, we were met with the grumpiest most verbally aggressive version of my mom I have ever seen.  We tried to address her needs and were met with nothing but attacks.  I had finally reached my boiling point and I unloaded about how tired I am of never being good enough for her, never doing or saying things in away that meet her expectations, that she cannot honor my boundaries, that all I want is peace in my life and that both of them are damn lucky my man loves me as much as he does to put up with the sh*t I have brought into his life!  As I was storming to the door, my mom looked at my dad and said “See, doesn’t that make you feel good!”  No responsibility on her shoulders at all ever! My husband stayed around for another 2 hours and mediated a ridiculous and vicious conversation between my parents until I finally called him to come home because nothing will ever change.

So where do things stand now?  My mom hasn’t spoken to anyone in 3 days and she has blocked me online.  If it were anyone else, I would demand they get off my property immediately.  But it’s my mom. And I know she needs help.  But she will not accept my help for anything.  She won’t talk about solutions and can never admit her part in the problems.  It’s always everyone else’s fault and she’s the victim.  Always.  So being the good and responsible daughter and the only family she has left, what am I to do? There is no outside help to be had through Medicaid, she isn’t ready for assisted living and I can’t afford private pay care.  The stress and guilt is overwhelming.
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BurntCaregiver Aug 2023
Tell her to get out of your house then. As far as I see it, your mother has two choices.

1) She can start treating you with basic respect and not like a pile of garbage

OR

2) Her ingrate a$$ can go into a nursing home.

Keep it simple. Stop knocking yourself out trying to talk to her about ways to help improve her life and start improving your own instead.


You have done enough for her. You've gone above and beyond what she deserves from you. You've also done so for your father.

If they want to act like chidren leave them to it, but don't let it be on your property.
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Start helping yourself by stopping the help that you give her.
Next time she falls or has to go to the ER tell them that they can not discharge her back to her home. She is unable to care for herself and you are unable to care for her. Use this term : To discharge her to home would be an UNSAFE DISCHARGE.
They would find Long Term Care for her that accepts Medicaid. It is their responsibility to discharge her to a safe place.

Discharging her to her home with no care, no help is unsafe
You can not care for her in your home as it is unsafe for you to care for her. (when I say "safe" it is not just physical safety but mental, emotional safety. You do not have to go into any explanation other than to say that it is unsafe for you to care for her. Do not let them bully you, threaten you.)
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BurntCaregiver Aug 2023
Amen to that. Listen to Grandma1954's advice because she is speaking true wisdom to you.
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Oh my goodness. Are you my twin sister because my life has been so similar to yours that it's unbelievable.

I'm glad you found this forum too and the people here know that I speak plainly, directly, and from the heart.

It's time for you to tell your ingrate, instigating, miserable, selfish, narcissistic mother to go pound sand.

Don't do a single thing for her until she starts treating you with at least the most basic respect that she'd no doubt show a stranger.
You did not cause her health problems, or the breakup of her marriage, or any of her other problems. You need to stop letting yourself be blamed for them.

Your mother needs some tough love. So give her some. Humble her a little but by forcing her to politely ASK you for help. Then be grateful for it.
If she refuses, then let her rot and don't do a damn thing for her.
It's for her own good.

This is what I had to do and it helped my relationship with my mother.
When you stop tolerating abuse an abuser stops abusing. If your mother wants a relationship with you and wants you to help with her needs, she better learn some humility and respect. Otherwise she will have to figure it out for herself.
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Missmypeace Aug 2023
Thank you! My mother will never ask for help. I spent years trying to anticipate her needs because she would never ask for help, only lay guilt afterwards for what she had to go through because no one was there to help. Even though if I was there to help she wouldn’t have let me. The mind games I have subjected myself to are insane. And I know in the moment that it’s insane. But I still play into the guilt because I want to be a good daughter.
I didn’t think anyone would even read my long post but it felt good to get it all out. I’m so appreciative of all of the responses already. They are hard to hear. But obviously I need to change my response to the situation before the situation will ever change.
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Let her be.

Let her fail.

Call 911 and let the medical and mental health professionals deal with her.

Tell Social Services and discharge planning that you will no longer be helping her. She needs to be placed

There is nothing, I repeat NOTHING that you can do to make her happy. She carries her own unhappiness within.

You can control ONE THING --your own behavior. Stop doing for her.
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You have remained extremely entangled in the life of a woman who is not helped by your presence. She was always unhappy and in need. She remains unhappy and in need. This will never ever change. There are many people who spend their lives in this manner.

It is up to the family on the periphery whether they allow such a person to such THEIR OWN LIVES right on out of them as well. Were I your husband I would never have allowed you to build on the property belonging to both of you, a home that is bound to destroy my marriage. He's a good guy to have done it.

Your mother is quite young and has likely decades to live. They will be UNHAPPY decades. The question is whether you wish to sacrifice your own LIFE on the altar of her unhappiness to utterly no reason than to forfeit your rights to a decent life.

It is a bit late now to ask us for suggestions when you have already built a home on your property with your funds for your ever-always-and-still-unhappy Mom.

There was never, in your explanation of your life to us, a question mark. I think you don't have any questions. You have made your choice. I hope that, this being the case, you manage to carve out SOME time, SOME hobbies, SOME work, SOME trips that you and your hubby can enjoy together, SOME TIME that doesn't involve your mother.

I honestly don't know what else to say to you. You have told us this is your choice. You have indicated you and your husband are not and have not been happy with this choice. And you have told us that Mom has never been happy. I am so sorry for the unhappiness of all. Honestly terribly sorry, because for me, your Mom should be the one to follow this path she carved in the wilderness without all of you following behind her. Dad finally got away, thank goodness. But he seems the only one to have made a mistake.

Again, Missmypeace, I am uncertain what I could possibly say to you that can make a difference for your life other than I am so very sorry you are all where you are at this time. I truly wish it were otherwise, and I truly wish you good luck.

And yes, she's your Mom. Sadly she is very limited and has been unable to hold up her end in any relationship ever. She owed you more than you got. You owed her nothing but to survive having lived with her so you could move on with your own life. Just my own humble opinion.
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Missmypeace Aug 2023
Wow, very hard truths to hear. This one put a lump in my throat. The guilt of how this has effected my sweet husband is very heavy. At the time, she had been (mis)diagnosed with ALS and thought she was coming here to die. That was 7 years ago. We truly had no idea what we were getting into. The thought was that it would ease stress because I wouldn’t be driving 2 hours to get to her. But I had no idea how much of myself I would be losing and how quickly it would age me. And the crazy feelings of guilt I have over everything. I feel guilty on the rare occasions my husband and I go out for a nice day and don’t include her. I feel guilty when I fix us a nice dinner and don’t take her something. I feel a constant pull to make life easier for her and it is never enough! But you are so right, I’m watching my own candle diminish because I’m burning all my energy trying to to make her candle shine brighter. It’s insane! And I’ve done it to myself! Always trying to be the good girl, the responsible one making up for my mentally ill sister who hasn’t lifted a finger for either parent and doesn’t even call to check on them.
Thank you. You told me exactly what I needed to hear.
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Well, that was a lot. What are you going to do about this?
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The worst thing she has done to you is to make you believe that you have to tolerate her because ‘she is your mom’.

There are many many people in the world (including me) who have a parent who has walked out on them, treated them badly, bludged off them. Usually it’s a father (that’s me), but sometimes it’s their mother. Many of them (including me) walk away from that parent, either completely or else as little as works for them. You can do the same without guilt or shame.

There are also many sons in the world who more or less walk away from their parents, even when the parents have done nothing wrong – and it is pretty much accepted as “Your son is your son til he gets him a wife”. There is far more pressure on girls – “But your daughter’s your daughter for all of her life”. This is sexist rubbish, as you ought to be able to see.

Stop the ‘obligation’, stop the ‘guilt’, and run as fast as you can. Put your energy into making that happen.

Yours, Margaret
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Missmypeace Aug 2023
“The worst thing she has done to you is to make you believe that you have to tolerate her because ‘she is your mom’.” You are so right about that. I always say I would never, ever let anyone talk to treat me the way my mom does. Why do I tolerate this? Because in spite of what she says about me, I am a caring, compassionate person who doesn’t want my mom to suffer. So I’m suffering for her?? It’s crazy! It really is. And I know I have done it to myself. I don’t blame her for it. I’ve had blinders on because of wanting to be a good daughter and do the right thing. But my life has value too.
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"If it were anyone else, I would demand they get off my property immediately."

If you don't, you are going to risk loosing another husband. Then what?

The best indicator of someone's future behavior is their past behavior. She needed a shrink back when you were 15. Stop hoping for miracles and get her off your property and out of your life. Let her torture someone else.

Try to remember the last time she was ever remotely nice to you. I bet $50 you can't. Now remember your marriage vows, and the grief of loosing your first husband. Don't loose another man who really and truly loves you, for someone who basically doesn't. If you spent half the energy toward him, imagine how awesome your life would be.

You've got to snap yourself out of the mindset you are drowning yourself in...STOP trying to reason with someone who has DONE NOTHING FOR YOU but abuse and torture you. She hasn't been a normal mother since you were a teenager. It will never happen in your lifetime.

Life is too short, you are burning daylight. Break the cycle and take your life back!
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Missmypeace Aug 2023
You are right about all of it. My day has been full of revelations and a huge awakenings thanks to all of you. I have been drowning and it has been my own doing. I’m seeing my mom in a different light today and realizing I owe her nothing but I have been giving her my life bit by bit. My life is going to look a lot different from here on out. And I hope my new family here will hold me accountable for that. Thank you all!!
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((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
the whole world ignores these things

Take a few weeks off?

idk what else to tell you, please keep posting
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Missmypeace Aug 2023
I do plan to step away for a couple weeks. I still have concerns and feelings of neglect. But since she just left the hospital, I know she is plugged in with new doctors and also has a case worker through Area Agency on Aging. They haven’t been able to provide her much help but I know they have the connections for emergencies if she reaches out.
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So sorry to hear what you’ve dealing with, Missmypeace. I think my own blood pressure went up a bit just reading about the constant negativity, the actual driving you from your home as a young person, and now having the nerve to terrorize and guilt-trip you as a guest on your own property with your DH …

Have you ever considered Borderline Personality Disorder as a possible explanation for the way your mother behaves? Might be helpful to check into it in case it provides insights. Here’s a link to a brief description of the disorder on the Psychology Today website:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/borderline-personality-disorder

Thinking of you and hoping you can break free of this sadly toxic person’s hold on your and your husband’s life.
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Missmypeace Aug 2023
I saw this mentioned in another post before I posted mine. It really got me thinking. My mom has some serious childhood issues that were never healed in her. And I know that is where most of this behavior comes from. My sister has some very serious mental health issues as well. So it’s definitely something I’m going to look into further. Thank you for the suggestion!
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"My day has been full of revelations and a huge awakenings thanks to all of you. I have been drowning and it has been my own doing. I’m seeing my mom in a different light today and realizing I owe her nothing but I have been giving her my life bit by bit. My life is going to look a lot different from here on out."

What are you going to do to change things? Give us your plan, and we will encourage you every step of the way. Hint: make a timeline, also, or else the plan will always be in the future sometime.
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Missmypeace Aug 2023
I haven’t quite formulated a plan yet. Other than I definitely need to step away for a couple weeks. I don’t feel she is quite ready for assisted living but need to look into options in my area so that I can have a plan in place when the time comes.
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Missy, good for you!

Expect F.O.G from your mom. (Fear, Obligation and Guilt--look it up).

My grandma would say to my mom "My, how you've changed".

My mom would look thoughtful and say "yes, yes I have".

Stand strong! The solution is one that needs to work for YOU.
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Missmypeace Aug 2023
Oh gosh, I have heard that a number of times too. “You have changed so much!”. It’s always meant to be hurtful. I just think of the protective armor I don mentally every time I go over there and the pep talk I have to give myself on the way. And I think of course I have changed because I don’t allow her access to who she used to know anymore.
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This might be a long shot.. something to think about..

I know college students need or should do internship while in colleges to get the hands on knowledge. Perhaps reach out to a nursing school or something and see if they have a program set up for students to help care for in home geriatrics for an hour or so during the week or weekend. Instead of pet sitting, senior adult sitting.
find a volunteer program for someone to see your mom once or twice a week.
Salvation Army might have a program too..
even high school students need volunteer hours. Here they do.
Assistance Leagues or assiteens leagues.
I believe they are all over the country.. it’s been awhile so not quite sure.
Check city hall and see if they have any programs.
ask your local hospital. Social services.
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Missmypeace Aug 2023
Thank you for the suggestions! I will look into that.
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Missmypeace, What a wonderful RESPONDANT you have been to our suggestions and our posts!

You are bright and articulate. You already KNEW much of what we have said, which is basically that your Mom isn't going to change; her limitations are her own, and you can't fix her. But you CAN save yourself and still maintain some sympathy for her without sacrificing your life and the lives of all those you love on the pyre of her life.

You say you are changed. But we are kind of like that moment you walk out of a particularly good Sunday sermon. It's great; it doesn't last.

Think on all we have said. Discuss it with hubby. Tell him to discuss with you honestly how you got her and what can be done. TAKE YOUR TIME. It took a long time to get here, and it will take time to reclaim a portion of your life you keep for YOU and for HUSBAND, a portion you can love, laugh, and take joy in.

You are a pleasure to have here. I hope you keep us updated on your journey.
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Missmypeace Aug 2023
Thank you. I’m very glad to have found this group. And I understand what you are saying. There have been other times I said I was done but I always get pulled in at the next crisis and nothing ever gets resolved. I told my husband yesterday as I vented and processed throughout the day that I expect him to hold me accountable. I cannot get sucked back in.
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You have been groomed from an early age. What was ur life like before Mom got sick? Was she always a taker and not a giver? Have you ever looked up the word Narcissist?

There was a member who had a Narcissistic parent that eventually got paid for caring for her parent. Said it made things easier because thinking of it as a paid job, she could put up with the parent better.

I so wish you had known that you could have said it was unsafe for Mom to return home and you could no longer care for her when she was in the hospital. Now you know.

Your mother needs you more than you need her. She needs to realize this. If your Dads there, he can help. (I have never heard of having PTSD because ur grieving. Its usually set off because of a trama. But then I am not a therapist.) Do as little as possible for her. When your there, "grey rock" (look it up) her. This means you sort of act like she is not there. Do what you need to do and then leave. When she says something about you ignoring her tell her, "You have no appreciation for what I do for you. I never get a please or a thank you because you seem to think as a daughter I owe u. I don't owe you. If anything Mom, you owe me. There are a lot of children that would have walked away and for good reason. You have no respect or love for me. Because a mother who loves their child would not expect what you seem to expect out of me. If we cannot come to some mutual understanding here, you are going to have to find somewhere else to live. I cannot deal with this any longer."

Do not feel guilty because you go out with your husband or don't invite her over for dinner. She is not easy to be around. Your and your father may have stayed if she was a nicer person. Really, if she had tried, could she have done more for herself?

Guilt is self imposed. You have nothing to feel guilty about. You have done enough. The person you owe is your husband. He deserves as much attention as you can give him. He deserves a un-stressed wife. You deserve an un-stressed life. It comes down to "this is the way it going to be and if you don't like it ur free to leave"
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Missmypeace Aug 2023
Yes, I do believe my mom has narcissistic tendencies. It’s funny, recently she got on this kick about narcissism and sent me several articles about it claiming this was my dad! He’s a narcissist! I wrote back that this is absolutely ridiculous! “You are telling me this quiet, introverted man, who doesn’t want to bother anyone about anything and simply wants to be left alone to live in peace, is a narcissist??” I knew it was a projection. She is the narcissist.

Yes, the PTSD diagnosis seemed odd to me connected with a death. But I think it had to do with how his wife died and how long he tried to revive her before the paramedics got there. He had constant flashbacks of the event and had a very difficult time coping without her.

Working on letting go of the guilt. It’s my biggest challenge for sure.
Thank you for your suggestions!
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Wow! Talk about passive aggressive behavior. Your mom is quite manipulative. She doesn’t seem to appreciate your generosity and kindness.

You’re exhausted! Why should you have to plaster a fake smile on your face? Geeeeeez, those remarks would infuriate me.

Honestly, I would rather someone be truthful and tell me off, rather than play passive aggressive games.

There’s no settling things with people like your mom because she is always going to blame you for her misery. You don’t deserve that.

You are going to have to decide what is best for you. Whatever you choose, your mom is going to have to comply. You are helping her. Remember that. It’s time for her to compromise with you.

She’s fortunate to have a daughter who has gone out of her way to help. There is a limit to everything. Do not push yourself past your limit.

Wishing you well. Take care.
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