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Hello-I have given up on the so called elder attorneys in mom's home town. I am looking for a blueprint on how to handle her accounts like ROTH IRA, bond fund, Metlife insurance with respect to Medicaid. She is still not on Medicaid after a year of DSS paperwork and I would like know if her assets can be protected for final expenses and any other expenses that may crop up. I would like to insure that she can keep as much of her hard earned money as possible. Sorry if this is a dumb question but I have wasted too much time on attorneys that are unavailable, dont understand elder law or uninterested.

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If you haven't already done so, I suggest looking for an attorney who's a member of NAELA (the National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys).
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kenmtb Jun 10, 2026
I have exhausted local "attorneys" and have been looking for quite a while. Today was the last straw.

Her situation can't be that unique. I am looking for a general plan to manage her accounts. Perhaps someone here has been in a similar situation.
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When handling my mom's accounts for things like her IRA I went to the banks. I ended up transferring all her accounts to new accounts at my bank, which was a nightmare, but I really didn't trust her bank people after many meetings with them. I looked up a lot of stuff online, such as whether or not to sell her house while she was alive. She did end up having enough in her checking account to pay for everything. By the way, the bank told me to be sure to have my name on the checking and have enough in that account to pay for final expenses and any bills still pending at her death because for some reason I wouldn't be able to get into her savings account after death. Sorry, I do not know any more about how to do it. If you have her will, you might check it for any instructions for where left over money and accounts go. There are people on here who know more, so hang in her for better advice.
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kenmtb Jun 10, 2026
She has money in checking and savings. That has been used to maintain her house and cats, pay bills and tax etc. Im not sure how long that will last. I have been managing that account while in her name. She has money in her ROTH IRA which I am trying to figure out what needs to be done so she doesn't loose it.

If there was a way, I would like to upgrade her nursing home stay to a single room or something. She is really depressed about the home and I am worried. If those funds could go to improving her stay that would be great.
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Your mother’s money and her assets are to be used for HER care now, not saved for you to inherit after the taxpayers fund her nursing home care through Medicaid. Maybe the problem is not with the attorneys but with what you are expecting them to tell you.
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kenmtb 19 hours ago
Im not trying to inherit anything!
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What’s the goal? My mom used Medicaid in the nursing home after burning through her funds, including a long term care policy and being private pay. A person’s assets must be used for their care before Medicaid is used, which is fair as Medicaid is a government program for people without adequate funds for medical expenses. It’s not meant to avoid spending one’s money. You can prepay for funeral expenses with mom’s assets prior to applying for Medicaid, that’s totally allowable. I’m unclear why she needs her hard earned money if she will be like most nursing home residents and live out her life in care. Medicaid will require her assets be used before kicking in, sorry if that’s not the answer you wanted. Her house can have a lien placed on it if it’s not sold while she’s alive to pay for her care. The lien would be satisfied whenever the house is sold or transferred in MERP, Medicaid Asset Recovery Program, if there are still outstanding funds the government used in paying for her care. This isn’t the government ripping anyone off, nursing home care is incredibly expensive, and the taxpayers shouldn’t be funding it for those who have assets to use for it. Of course it’s sad and unfortunate to see our parent use money they saved over a lifetime in such a sad, heartbreaking time. Many of us have had to accept it and have gratitude that help our parent needed was available
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It's no wonder the attorneys are of no help. The US government has been actively seeking out Medicaid fraud, even small amounts and people are going to jail for it. People are much more careful these days about what constitutes true need. Medicaid is for those who do not have a nest egg, but need to depend upon tax money to live out their final days. You are free to use your mom's money for her care, to upgrade her room, and you can prepay for her burial. If she wants or needs something use her money and keep good records. She needs to exhaust her nest egg before tax money will cover her stay. Any gifts to family and friends or hiding of money in other accounts is a red flag. Many years before a person is in need of long term care they can set up a trust, but it is too late for that now most likely. It's time to start figuring out how her money can be used for her and how you can legally dispose of the house with the funds being put towards her care and who gets the cat. Keep good records. I have a box just for my mom's bills and check stubs going back for 2 and 1/2 years. My mom was denied Medicaid, but most likely was eligible. After that, we sold her house and car, giving her a nest egg which we have to use up for her care before we can apply again. One tip that helped me was calling around to other Medicaid offices and speaking with a variety of officials. They cannot speak directly to your situation, but they can give broad suggestions, which in our case was well worth the effort.
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kenmtb 19 hours ago
She is not on medicaid yet.
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I have responded to several of your posts. Do you have guardianship or POA yet? Your mother is a NYS resident and it is a state that allows you to keep the house and car separately from the $33k of assets she is allowed to keep. ALL income (less $50 personal allowance) is paid to the nursing home until she is discharged or upon death. If she has any other assets over the 33k will need to be liquidated or a RMD will be established and this is included as income to be paid to nursing home.

Your mother may keep the house and the expenses will be paid from the $33k of assets in her accounts. However, expect a claw back when the house is sold. In this electronic era you can not hide anything unless your hide it in your mattress.

I am not sure of your mothers specific case or location but it really isn't difficult finding an eldercare attorney in NYS. Every county has very qualified attorneys and services to help you. Her hard earned money should be used for her care. I am from NYS and POA for my uncle in a nursing home. It was a time-consuming endeavor to spend down and gather the support needed for Medicaid but it wasn't impossible.
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kenmtb 19 hours ago
I am not poa. She is in NYS. The house is not worth selling. I keep it going for the meantime. The main concern is to cover any of her unexpected costs. She no longer has her old health insurance and some bills need paying. Looks like the best thing to do let medicaid handle her accounts.
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You need to sit down with a Medicaid representative and find out how this all works. There is no protecting any of her assets now, your within the 5 year look back. Her Roth, bonds and insurance need to be used for her care until spent down. I am surprised that if these assets were mentioned in her Medicaid application, that you have not received a letter telling you she doesn't qualify because she has assets that can be liquidated. Who is doing the application? In my State you have 90 days to provide info needed and spend down. If not done in that 90 days, you start all over.

My Moms application went smoothly. I had already cashed in her CDs. So I spent them down. Cashed in her insurance policy, and that paid for a prepaid funeral. ( if policies are from employers or no cash in value, cannot cash in. Not sure though if Medicaid becomes beneficiary)
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kenmtb 19 hours ago
She has not gotten on medicaid. Dss is taking forever to handle her case. She has near the state limit in savings. Im guessing medicaid will spend down her Roth IRA and other assets. I am concerned about final expenses in the future and any outstanding payments that medicaid may not cover.
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You say you don't want her to "lose" her money but you would like to upgrade her nursing home to provide more comfort for her. What else are you "saving" that money for? It should be used now! If you are concerned about final expenses, you can pre-buy a package with a funeral home.
Is her Metlife insurance policy a whole, guaranteed life policy with a cash value? Is the payout enough to cover final expenses? How much is the cash value? That is something Medicaid will want to know as part of her "assets" she could conceivably tap into if needed.
Use her savings, Roth IRA and bond funds first. Sell her house if needed when her savings are exhausted, pre-pay for funeral expenses now, then if she dies with the life insurance policy still in effect, that will go to you, assuming you are the beneficiary. You may not ever need to apply for Medicaid if her money lasts for her lifetime. Her money is not for your inheritance, it is for her comfort in her last years.
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kenmtb 20 hours ago
Im not sure why you are so suspicious. Im not saving her money, I dont know if it will be taken by medicaid of just leave to alone. Looking for advice.
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Kentmb, just to clarify your understanding, Medicaid does not spend down assets or "take" any assets that belong to those who are on Medicaid or applying for it. It's up to the applicant or their POA/responsible party to spend assets down to meet the level allowable by the state. The Roth IRA and other assets need to be spent on her care first to get her asset level down to what's allowed in her state. As others here have posted, you can set aside some of her money for funeral/burial expenses and that will not be counted as an asset for determining Medicaid eligibility. Different states set different levels for how much is allowed for assets; for many, it's only $2,000, not counting a house and car. My state (Maine) allows a person to keep $10,000 in assets and also to have an exempt funeral trust account, which can be up to $18,000 and is indexed for inflation. Once on Medicaid in a nursing home, all of the recipient's current income (social security, pensions, etc.) has to go for their care, less a monthly "personal needs allowance" which is usually $40/month. You say you want to protect her assets for final expenses or other expenses, but beyond the funeral/burial, what other large expenses do you anticipate? She'll have the monthly personal needs allowance, which is pretty pitiful, but also whatever her state has for its allowable assets, whether that be just the minimal $2,000 or something higher.

What state is your mom in? Do you know what the Medicaid allowable assert is for long term care?
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"I would like to insure that she can keep as much of her hard earned money as possible." A skilled attorney might be able to help you protect assets. Expect that you will have to pay a lot for an attorney to help you and your mom avoid using her assets for her care.

My mom has hundreds of thousands of dollars in investment accounts. These funds are being used to pay for the assisted-living facility where she lives and for taxes and upkeep on the house that she still owns. IMO, this is the appropriate approach for all people to take.
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After reading responses- every house is worth selling, maybe not for a good price, maybe only for the land, but always worth selling. The “we buy houses for cash” people exist for a reason.
Medicaid doesn’t handle anyone’s finances, nothing is expected to go to Medicaid once an applicant qualifies. My mother’s SS check went to the NH, Medicaid paid the rest. The qualifying does require a spend down of assets but Medicaid isn’t doing that, merely looking for proof it’s occurred. They have the right to recover costs of care after death if assets, like a house, are available to place a lien on. Pre pay for funeral and burial or cremation in the spend down. There won’t be left over expenses
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Ken. you have been writing on this forum for several years, repetitively, about getting your mom onto Medicaid for her nursing home care while also holding onto her house and financial assets. Time to give up that ghost. Recognize that you are going to have to use her money and her assets -- her Roth, her bonds, any other assets and investments -- to PAY FOR HER CARE. That is what they are FOR, to take care of HER in her old age. Not to sit unused for you to inherit while she is in need. After those are exhausted, her house can be sold and that money used to PAY FOR HER CARE. When that money is close to running out, THEN you can apply to have the taxpayers cover her nursing home care through Medicaid.

So, start using her money to make her life pleasant. Start by getting her the nicer, single rather than shared, room that you mentioned below.
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