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HI OBnurse, I was an OB nurse for 14 years. Loved it, babies are so sweet! 👶🏼
Got a question for you... what would you tell your patient to do in your circumstances? Let's say a new mommy with a C-Section? Would it be a good idea for her to have her invalid grandmother over night? There's your answer. Like someone said, tell her the doctor said you can't take on that much.
Don't compromise your health like I did. (2 weeks after female surgery lifting my mom dead weight in and out of w/c, onto toilet, etc.-I hurt myself but thank God didn't screw up the surgery.) You know better so nurse heed thy own advise and loose the guilt.
I agree with Countrymouse. Also, it is best to say the doctor advised her to go back at at certain time due to your physical limitations to avoid fall risk for her.
Obnurse, It’s your call. If you feel that it would be too much to have your mother sleep overnight, then don’t do it. She could come to your house for dinner, but then you drive her back to the nursing home to sleep in her own bed, and where she is surrounded by professionals who can assist her. You have to take good care of yourself. Don’t overextend yourself if you feel something would be too much for you.
Why ever do you feel guilt for taking care of your health?
You can feel bad about this; sad, disappointed, but but guilt, which implies you are doing something bad.
Please understand that taking care of yourself post surgery is important so that you can continue to advocate for your mom. She's in a SNF because she needs 24/7 care that you are no longer capable of giving. Period.
So, I continue to tell her that she can’t stay overnight and that if she’s going to give me a hard time I just won’t pick her up Christmas Eve, problem is I don’t know if my heart will allow me to follow thru. On the flip side I have no desire to take care of her for 24hrs and monopolize my holiday. The guilt is killing me.
Well. If it were me, I'd ask my very nice husband to collect my mother on Christmas Day morning, bring her to the family home for lunch, and then take her back in the evening. I expect the NH will give the residents have a good supper on Christmas Eve and make a bit of a fuss of them, won't they? It may not be quite the same but it will still be special - and involve a lot less time on the road and a lot less faffing about.
My father always stayed over night Christmas eve. This year his mobility has declined drastically. There is no way he would get up the stairs to a bedroom and I am not having him sleep on the couch. If he wet the couch I would have to get rid of it and I cannot afford to replace my furniture. It took 4 of us to get him tot he car on Thanksgiving. He was not happy when I told him I would be there Christmas morning to get him. I told him it was because he could not get up the stairs. The added issue is that he doesn't listen and insists he can do things he can't so I know he would get up in the middle of the night and fall or even worse fall down the stairs. Or bang on my door at 2am for something. I would like to have a peaceful holiday too. I am tired of sacrificing my peace so he can get what he wants.
If your Mom is on Medicare/Medicaid, she can go out during the day but she has to be in the facility overnight, one of their continued qualifying rules. Even if she is not, you could use the same reasoning to get out of an overnight stay.
We experienced this for the first time this Thanksgiving. My mother has been in a nursing home since June and my father, hopefully, will join her soon. She had several episodes of loose bowels, and we couldn't even get her wheelchair into the bathroom. My brother tried to walk her to the toilet, but she was too weak, so we rolled her into the guest bedroom where there was a futon, opened it up, rolled up our sleeves and took care of business. And then had to do it again two more times! I was never so proud of my siblings. No grumbling, just doing what had to be done. I do know that my mother was mortified and we kept assuring her that we didn't mind. No, I think spending the night is not a good idea. My mother is just coming to an acceptance of her new home. Spending the night might set that back. as it could for your mother.
So it sounds like mom will be staying at the nursing home permanently then? I wasn't clear from your answer. If that's the case, then you're setting the precedent now for how you handle this in the future You're already paying the price for bringing her over for Thanksgiving. Now she'll expect that for every holiday going forward.
You have the perfect excuse for mom right now - you're recovering from surgery and it's just not possible to bring her home for Christmas - doctor's orders. That's all you need to say. You don't need to go into detail or make excuses for why it won't work. Just go visit her for a short time and spend the holiday the way you want to. I'm sure you've done a lot for your mom and you don't have to meet her every request. You're still recovering from surgery. Give yourself a break.
Depending on how sensitive she is, I might just say that my doctor had ordered me to do this or that and that I was on restriction of my duties. But, explain that that's ok, because all the fun can be brought to her. And then plan a nice visit with gifts, food and music. I'd thank her in advance for understanding.
Sorry to not really say what the situation was. She is now in a nsg ( she thinks it's until we find more aides) we brought her home for thanksgiving and she went back without a problem, but it was stressful on us, went thru pants due to incontinence, had us jumping most of the day, I am on restriction as far as lifting and pulling on her due to surgery last month. What if she's up and down all night to pee? What if she doesn't get up and wets in bed? She of course says none of that will happen and she doesn't need help! I don't have issue bringing her home Christmas Eve and then going back to home for bed and breakfast in am , they could get her dressed etc and then she can come back to house for the day. My husband can get her in and out of car and lift wheelchair. I just don't know what to do. Thanks
My grandmother also wanted to go home for Christmas and then go back to the nursing home. My aunts and uncles thought it would be too much to take on. I know we all want to do what our parents want and especially during the holidays. I would firmly but compassionately let her know its not feasible but that you and the family would gladly bring Christmas to her. Like Blannie said I think its better not to disrupt her routine.
Is she now living in the nursing home for good, or is she in there for a rehab situation? If she's in there for good, then taking her out will likely result in her not wanting to go back when it's time. I'd tell her you'll bring Christmas to her and do that. Don't disrupt her schedule and settling in if she's newly moved to the nursing home. But tell us more for some better responses to your situation.
Perhaps you can share your Mom's situation. Your profile says she is living at home and has general age related decline. Is there a reason you don't think it would be a good idea for her to stay overnight with you?
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APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
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I was an OB nurse for 14 years. Loved it, babies are so sweet! 👶🏼
Got a question for you... what would you tell your patient to do in your circumstances? Let's say a new mommy with a C-Section? Would it be a good idea for her to have her invalid grandmother over night?
There's your answer. Like someone said, tell her the doctor said you can't take on that much.
Don't compromise your health like I did. (2 weeks after female surgery lifting my mom dead weight in and out of w/c, onto toilet, etc.-I hurt myself but thank God didn't screw up the surgery.) You know better so nurse heed thy own advise and loose the guilt.
You can feel bad about this; sad, disappointed, but but guilt, which implies you are doing something bad.
Please understand that taking care of yourself post surgery is important so that you can continue to advocate for your mom. She's in a SNF because she needs 24/7 care that you are no longer capable of giving. Period.
You have the perfect excuse for mom right now - you're recovering from surgery and it's just not possible to bring her home for Christmas - doctor's orders. That's all you need to say. You don't need to go into detail or make excuses for why it won't work. Just go visit her for a short time and spend the holiday the way you want to. I'm sure you've done a lot for your mom and you don't have to meet her every request. You're still recovering from surgery. Give yourself a break.
My grandmother also wanted to go home for Christmas and then go back to the nursing home. My aunts and uncles thought it would be too much to take on. I know we all want to do what our parents want and especially during the holidays. I would firmly but compassionately let her know its not feasible but that you and the family would gladly bring Christmas to her. Like Blannie said I think its better not to disrupt her routine.