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Finally realized that mom has been triangulating my sisters against me for years, which destroyed our relationships and made me the outcast. My sisters are definitely toxic, but mom made everything worse. This has been going on all of my life, so it can't be senility.


I became her caregiver and social outlet for 28 years and I think she did it to keep me dependent on her and at her beck and call because nobody else in the family liked me. I can't even look at her now. Her social worker told me to get away from her and let my sisters take over her care. Validation and knowing it's probably a personality disorder isn't making me feel any better.


Old habits die hard and I don't think my sisters are interested in repairing the relationship because they still have each other and their kids. They just said "yeah, mom lies." I don't know where to go from here. Yes, I am getting therapy, but it won't change my family and the therapist doesn't have anything to say except validating me. Still no help moving forward.

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I’m in a somewhat similar situation.

My mom raised me from birth to believe my dad and his family were wicked and she was my only defense from them. I feared and avoided them all. I only started to question my reality at nineteen and even then it took several more years to understand my mom had mental issues and my dad and his family were just normal people. By that time I’d missed out on twenty-five years of building relationships with them. I missed weddings, funerals, birthdays, gatherings. I’ve never become close to them.

In my late twenties my mom turned her gaze at her own family. Even though they lived thousands of miles away and I rarely saw them I’d say we were fairly close. Once my mom began her relentless attacks on them contact completely stopped. (For example, she would say awful things, make horrid accusations and file frivolous lawsuits against them.) I was cut out because of my connection to her.

I moved across the country in part to separate myself from my mom. But the damage was done. I’m not a part of either side of my family’s lives. We’re not hostile. We are strangers to each other.

I made my own life, made my own friends. That was fine while I was young. Now I'm in my late forties and I’m finding that people my age are drawing into their families. Children and aging parents take more and more of their time (as it should). I can see where this road ends.

I don’t think there is anything I can do but to be strong and accept it with grace. No therapist is going to ‘fix’ this. Not all problems have happy solutions.

All I can do is remain active. Make friends, be a friend, remain social.
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It's terrible to have been made a scapegoat; and from the sounds of it your siblings are not capable of changing the dynamic either. Basically, you may need to live the rest of your life completely on your own terms, doing what is in Your Best Interests for your health, on all levels. It hurts, I know, but the reality is your family dynamic is toxic and has been for a long time; you've stepped up for a long time, and been helpful, but you also played a role, almost as a 'martyr' as if that was a designated part for you. The social worker is correct; and therapy/the therapist won't change the family...they are all showing you objective truth and hoping you'll save yourself. It's like the old 'no good deed goes unpunished': nothing you do or say will change the others, you must do the changing...and just stop the story. Create a New Chapter for yourself, minus triangulating/manipulative mom and sisters-in-name/blood-only. Be free, set them free by exiting the sad/bad story.
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Firstof5 Jan 2022
It's hard to totally separate from family because my kids still want to hang out with them. They know my sisters hurt me, but I made the mistake of encouraging my kids to have relationships with them. I was just cut out because I didn't stand up for myself. It was convenient for my parents and my sisters to have me as the scapegoat and I was trained to accept the role.
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Firstof5 wrote: "My mother's lies have made me the family outcast. After 50 years of lies is there any hope of rejoining my family?"

The answer is NO. Not because of the 50 years, but because your sisters don't want to have a relationship with you. I know it must hurt to be an outcast all these years. I honestly can't imagine how hard it must be for you.

Can you clarify what you mean by "Still no help moving forward"?

Moving forward to where? What are your goals? No more hurt? Acceptance? Finding new relationships?

Perhaps once you contemplate what and where you want to move forward to, you can ask your therapist to help you get there. If the therapist can't help you, it's time to find a better therapist.
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You will have to move forward yourself. First you must give up changing your family, or receiving their help. It is terribly frightening to make moves away from toxic family because no matter how bad it is, it is the "known" and there is nothing as frightening as the unknown. I hope you have friends and community. If you do not you may need to start THERE. If you have church or other community, even volunteer work, you can form friendships that will be supportive. You will need to be financially independent, so that you can move into your own place and be on your own away from the family. I am thankful you are getting therapy. You will need that support as well.
As I said, the unknown is terribly frightening. Be patient with yourself. This will be a brave, brave move and will take everything you have. I wish you the very best. Be good to yourself.
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Dear Firstof5,

I am sorry for the deep pain and hurt you feel about your family. I too long for a Hallmark family. Wanted so much to have the support of my mother, father and sisters. But like you, I too feel like an outcast. I tried so hard to please everyone and gave of myself unconditionally.

I know I feel anger and resentment that no one can support me or care about me in return the way I want.

Others have given good advice. I know it's hard. But sometimes we cannot get blood from a stone. We have to find new ways. Value ourselves first! Put our own needs and wants first. It takes time but I know you'll find the right people to love you and care about you.

Thinking of you.
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Firstof5,

When we are made to be the family scapegoat, black sheep etc., we are often left desperate to gain the love of our family. We know we are not a bad person, but everyone else buys into the stories and we are left unloved and rejected. Often our families will enlist others, extended family or close friends into their warped world view. It hurts.

I have one younger brother, he has completely bought into Dad's view that I am damaged and have been since birth. If Dad had had his way he would have had me institutionalized as a toddler. My crime? Just being born a red head, with a stubborn personality.

It is ridiculous how far those two men have gone and will go in the future to discredit me. The most recent was telling me I did not know what I was talking about when I told them the fridge in the cabin is not working. The mold should have been a clue.

My mother is the world's biggest gossip. All she cares about is telling people stories that put me in a bad light. When my marriage ended, she was too busy burning up the phone lines to think about calling me to see if I was OK. She decided with my EX that I should move out of the house and into an old RV.

I found out later that she had been meeting my EX while I was at work (I worked 6 days a week) and knew some of what he was up to. This was before the break up, after she went to my house and went through my mail, phone messages and relayed what she learnt to my EX. She also went through my belongings and took things that she did not think I deserved to have. I had the locks changed, but much damage was done in the 4 months before I found out.

These people are incapable of loving us. And we will just cause ourselves endless pain trying to earn their love.

I have worked hard to create a community around me that has no connection at all to my family of origin. People who have become my family of choice.

You can do it too. Covid has made many things harder, but join a club or group that has nothing at all to do with your family. I joined a quilting guild in a city an hour away. No one there knew the story of my marriage or divorce, no one knew any of my family members nor their friends, nobody had been indoctrinated by my parents. I was just me.

It takes time, but you are worth it.
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Firstof5 Jan 2022
I joined a recreational dance group and the people are so nice. I still have trust issues because sometimes my family acts supportive and then turns around and attacks me. Maybe I can figure out how to tell which people are actually healthy and learn who is worth trusting. I want to show gratitude to the dancers, but it's slow going for me.
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Any hope of rejoining your family?

Why would you want to?

As a scapegoat, treat yourself 'as if' someone in recovery-don't go near the toxicity. Go through the withdrawal.

Come out the other side a whole, recovered person, with a good chance at being happy.

Someone cannot lie about you if they haven't even seen you or talked to you for years!

Explore in therapy why you feel people don't like you. Is it true? Maybe you need less validation, and more confrontation. Using Cognitive Therapy, or CBT,
Cognitive behavioral therapy may help change your thinking. Maybe there are errors in your thinking. Everyone has them, it does not make you crazy. But work hard, you can change yourself, but not your family.

Feel better about yourself soon.
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My FIL is a narcissist and has a very strong tendency to tell lies about his son, daughter, myself, BIL, and the grands to anyone who will listen. We know this because we have heard him do it. My SIL and my husband were raised for years in this culture and are very conditioned to worry very much about what he says to other people about them and how they don't meet his expectations. (This has been going on for years where he has said negative things about them instead of anything good). To my way of thinking as an "outsider" having only been in the family for about 30 years is that it makes HIM look way worse than them. What kind of parent, who actually has GREAT kids never has anything good to say about them ever? That's a reflection of HIM not them. I told my SIL this the other day. "To quote Dr. Seuss...those who matter don't mind and this who mind don't matter". If you know you have done your best and the people you are related to by blood are so easily misled by the lies of another, then blood didn't make you family. It doesn't always. Sometimes family is who you choose not who you get.
I think it's time you allow yourself to be free from ALL of the toxicity and move forward for yourself. The best thing you can do is be healthy for you. I have thought for a long time that the only way my husband and SIL are ever going to be free from their dad is when he is gone because alive he has a hold on them that they can't break because he is FAMILY. Just that word has such a strong connotation of debt and ownership and it is supposed to be about love and strength and comfort! When I think about my FIL I know that my husband and SIL take care of him out of a sense of obligation...if he wasn't their father this isn't a man they would give the time of day to(long history of abuse). But because he is their dad so much of their own self-worth is wrapped up in what he thinks of them and it is difficult to counteract that even with 30 years of my own love and attention invested. It's heartbreaking that a parent can do that to a child and very difficult to overcome. But you can do it step by step. I can see them making slow strides towards freedom. But you have to put yourself first and invest in you and decide if your mental health is more important than pursuing that relationship with your remaining family and whether they will ever move on from the walls that your mother built. There are people in our family who don't talk to us because of FIL's lies and that's their loss. They never took the time to know their own family. And there are plenty of people that just rolled their eyes about his lies and knew it was total crap because they knew better. That's what you have to weigh in the end.
Good luck to you. In the end you have to decide how much of yourself you are willing to risk before you protect yourself and if you are just going down the same path with them that you went down with her.
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It is so hard to realize that your "family" is not really your family. It is normal to look to family for love and caring, but remember the old saying "You can't get blood out of a turnip." But that need not mean that you cannot form "family" relationships for yourself with people who are not actually related bloodwise, but care about you, which IMO is the real meaning of "family". Your sisters may or may not come to some understanding of what happened to you, but the thing is that you can start looking for "family" relationships where there is a chance of finding them.
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My short answer to your question is "No" unless you want your present relationships to continue as they have been, which, from what you write, you don't. And with good reason!!!

My mother had Borderline Personality Disorder, my father was an alcoholic and my sister has something similar to mother, worse in some ways as she is colder and more calculating. So my family was a toxic mess. I realized very early in life (preschool) that there were serious problems in the family and also that I was not the cause. Life became a matter of facing the realities of my family, developing coping skills and support and mother figures, non blood sisters etc. outside my family and hurting from the dysfunctional behaviours. My father, at least, was affectionate.

Agreed - getting therapy won't change your family. Your only option is to change yourself if you want your life to improve.

"Still no help in moving forward". This is some of what I had to do. and found necessary to move forward. I found literature about codependency, and being the child of a borderline mother helpful.

1) accept that they were/are are they were/are and were/are not going to change

2) grieve the lack of the family that everyone needs but not everyone gets.

3) find support for myself through friends, extended family and therapists

4) learn about the disorders foamily members have and the effects they have on you and the family as a whole

5) set healthy goals and boundaries and work at keeping them.

None of this is easy nor does it happen without messes, as we learn and grow. I still, at 84, am a work in progress.

After mother died I finally cut contact with my sister. I had thought/hoped for years we could have a decent relationship but finally realized that wasn't possible. I went n/c for my protection.

Wonderful that you have 2 adult children from whom you feel love

Alva mentioned that another therapist may suit you better. I always felt free to change therapists if one was not working for me. Have you asked this one what, in her/his opinion, you can do to move forward?

Many here can identify with you and your issues and are good at giving support. I was a distance caregiver for my mother for years (could never have done hands on due to the toxicity) and found the support here invaluable. I hope you find the same. ((((((((hugs))))))))
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Firstof5 Jan 2022
Thanks for the hugs. It actually feels nice.
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