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Hello, does anyone have advice for me on my current situation? Here’s the story…
My mom’s mobility and health has declined as she is 80, also my dad was diagnose with ischemic dementia, several mini strokes over the years. And he also has constant reoccurring urinary react infections because he got prostate shrunk but still retains 300ml of urine in his bladder. He can still drive very well and he still knows a lot and is with it a lot of the time, but he has intermittent bouts of confusion and bouts of talking jibberish at times. We’ve been begging them to go to assisted living or live with us, or closer to us. We live 45 mins away. Now, mom fell again in their dangerous house, and dads back in hospital because I thought he had a stroke the other day. He’s getting EEG now as we speak. Moms also in hospital due to her fall but thankfully to God, no broken or fractured hips, but she can’t walk because her back is sore.
We had ADULT PROTECTIVE services at their house yesterday just to convince mom to go to hospital.
I am feeling so guilty for calling APS because they may require mom and dad to get out of their house permanetely. I am having chest pains due to the constant stress over them as I now have no life as it it consumed with their issues. I love them dearly.
Now, come to find out assisted living won’t take them as a couple because moms issues are worse than Dads, but after almost 60 years of marriage, I cannot have them split up. They refuse to live with us or move closer. What do I do? I have exhausted all ideas. 😔☹️

No way a man with dementia and bouts of confusion should ever drive again at all. Step one today, disable the car and hide the keys, no explanation or apology. You very well may be saving a life. Has more than one assisted living place been consulted? Perhaps one with several levels of care? They aren’t safe at home and shouldn’t live with you, you’d definitely drown then. Consult the hospital social worker today for help
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Put them both in a nice Longterm care facility. Assisted Livings and Memory cares are not skilled nursing and looks like that is what Mom needs. Maybe you can have them in one room. You have APS saying they need 24/7 care. They are no longer able to live alone. They cannot take care of each other.
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Your parents are in very poor health and in all honesty should NOT be living in their home any longer. And NO they should NOT be moving in with you either. If you think you're drowning now, you'd be completely underwater if you allowed them in your home with no way out.
Your parents now require full-time care and should be placed accordingly. And instead of feeling guilty that you called APS, be thankful that now there are others involved to help you get both parents placed in the appropriate facility. APS should be able to help you find a facility that will allow both parents even if it's on separate wings of the same facility if one requires more care than the other, where they can go visit each other daily if they want.
This is NOT a bad thing but a blessing and you should embrace it and the fact that once they're placed they will be safe, fed, and taken care of 24/7 so you can get back to just being their loving child and not their "drowning" child.
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Unsafe discharge. Unsafe discharge. Repeat this over and over again to the social worker at the various places where your parents are being cared for. Rehabs, hospitals, all of it. Unsafe discharge. There is no one there to care for them and they cannot stay by themselves. Dad is unable to help mom take her meds and he is not taking his properly either. You live about an hour away and CANNOT take care of them.

This is the "crisis" that you needed to get them into care, so don't blow it. Unsafe discharge. You want to have them live longer? Well, the best chance for that is to get them placed asap. Dad has to be stopped from driving! He was at one point driving to the Legion to have drinks? So now he is demented and drunk and driving. Or just tipsy and demented. These are not good things for a driver to have. He's going to kill someone on the road. Tell the hospital this information. He is driving while incapacitated. Mom is sitting in urine for hours because she either doesn't know what is happening or doesn't care, both of which speak to an issue with her brain. If she were in her right mind, she would not want to sit in urine. Also it will break her skin down and cause pressure sores which can kill her.

Look into what can be done with the cats. Some places will allow animals. If not, please see about getting them adopted into good homes. There are places that will help you with this in some areas. Rescue groups can point you in the right direction.

If the house is hoarded and mom is having accidents all the time, the house isn't going to be great to live in anyway. It doesn't sound healthy. This is your chance to help them get to where they need to be for their own safety.
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Find a continuum of care facility. Several of my friends have been happy in such a place. Example: "Helen" and "Ed" bought a small house on the property of "Happy Acres" continuing care facility. Three BR, two baths, their own yard on a street of many such houses. They enjoyed the neighborhood. When Ed became ill, he moved into an apartment in assisted living in the main building where the dining room and other recreation rooms were housed. Helen still lived in their house. When Ed needed memory care, he move into the MC unit in a wing of the main building. When Helen broke her foot, she had rehab in the rehab wing, still able to see Ed every day. When Ed passed, she was still living near their neighbors in their independent house but when she needed assisted living, she moved into an onsite apartment and stayed there through hospice care. The facility bought their house back and sold it to newer residents.

There's a place near me where one spouse can be in memory care, the other is in assisted living, and they see each other throughout the day. Your parents need a plan such as one of these places offers. Since dad is now talking jibberish and is confused, he's ready for memory care. Mom will be on the premises. Sell their house to pay for it.

NOW - YOUR FATHER CAN NO LONGER DRIVE!! HE HAS DEMENTIA! Being "with it" some of the time is joke. What if he's approaching an intersection during a moment when he isn't "with it?" You think you're consumed with their issues now, wait until dad is brought up on charges of vehicular homicide because he wasn't "with it" enough to know what the red light means? He was just "a little confused" and not talking much gibberish - you know, maybe a little but that's okay with you and he kills a family of four? This sort of thing happens all the time because families don't want to take daddy's car away because he's sort of "with it" and still can drive in his neighborhood (but you didn't see the time he sideswiped the stop sign and ran up onto a neighbor's yard where their five year old was playing).

I know you're stressed, but guilt is inappropriate. Let me tell you what real guilt is - it's when dad kills someone and you're watching the funeral procession and four coffins come out of the church headed for the cemetery. Mommy, Daddy, and two small white ones for the children. Together in eternity because your dad only had a little dementia and was just a bit confused and didn't talk much gibberish, and he was "with it" most of the time except, of course, that day he drove his car head-on into theirs.

You certainly have a lot on your plate, but it's time to switch gears and accept what is really happening. I wish you and your parents the best.
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If your father does come home, he must not drive any longer. Disable the car or take the keys away. If your father is still in the hospital you need to emphasize there is no one to care for him because your mother is not well. Speak to the social worker. He is an unsafe discharge. Keep emphasizing this.

Break down the plethora of problems into pieces. Don't try to look at the whole picture, it is very overwhelming. Believe me I know. Get your father's issues settled and then worry about your mother. For the time being until you can figure mom's situation out, get some help in for her and make sure she has a fall alert.

In my case with my 90+ y/o parents, my father went into the nursing home first. My mother, like yours had limited mobility and declining health and was living home alone. Nine months later my mother had a bout of Covid that landed her in the hospital and again we said unsafe discharge. I had .already been in contact with my father's nursing home previously to try to get my mother admitted there but they said she wasn't ready. After she was hospitalized, they finally agreed to place her there even though it was premature, but admitted her because they felt it was humane that my parents spend their last days together. Out of all the misery we had dealing with their various crises, the nursing home doing that was the only good thing that happened for us. This is unbelievably hard.

There are very few crises in life that are worse than this. Good luck navigating this time in your life.
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TinaMarie, you've been writing here for at least a year about your parents' serious issues, including their hoarded house and your dad's drinking which interferes with his care for your mom. You absolutely did the right thing by calling APS, so please please please do not feel guilty about that!

This finally IS the time to get them out of their unsafe house and into a place where they can each get the care they need and you will be able to finally not have to deal with all their issues alone. You and your husband deserve to have a break from this stress and finally be able to have some time to breathe and regroup and reclaim some time for your own lives.

Their issues are serious enough now that you CANNOT manage it all yourself. Do not even consider bringing them to your home. If they need to be split up, that is a reality that you can't control. Talk to the staff where they are about a possible placement where they can be near each other in a community with different levels of care so they can be near each other.

You've done all you can, way beyond what your parents should reasonably have expected you to, so don't feel guilty about anything, however the situation evolves from here. Keep us posted on how you're doing. I really hope you can find peace in your heart, and get some rest.
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Separate them. It's OK. They need specialized care. Send them to the right place, even if it is not the same place. Do NOT bring them home to live with you. You think your chest pains are bad now, imagine how they will be when you have to go looking for dad because he drove off somewhere and didn't come home. BTDT. Get his keys, sell their house and car and get them moved into facilities ASAP.
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TinaMarie, you wrote, "After almost 60 years of marriage, I cannot have them split up." This isn't on YOU. If they are split up, it will be THEIR circumstances, THEIR health, THEIR issues that have them split up. So NO GUILT from you.
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I am so sorry so much has piled on at once! I am evolving in this care thing, too (my 94 year old dad has lived with us over five years now and is in declining and complicated health and conditions). I feel in your words the love and concern you have for your parents! Something that I am having a hard time digesting but have come to realize in our “journey”, sometimes you cannot fix everything for your loved one, and sometimes—no matter how hard you try—there are no perfect solutions. Only less bad ones. All you can do is pray, and make the most informed and respectful decision you can on their behalf (if/when they cannot make their own decisions). I would NOT recommend bringing them into your home. No one ages backwards and needs escalate and become overwhelming in so very many ways. One person to care for two people with declining abilities and escalating needs is just not sustainable. There are home health aids. We tried that once post hospital when no SNF would take my dad (pricy IV antibiotics), but it didn’t work out well. I read on this site that some people have good results, but most encounter nightmare scheduling issues, no shows, etc.

So, I would echo what others here have said. Let the hospital case managers know that they are NOT safe discharges. Try to find a community that has more than one type of care, where their individual needs will be attended to but they can still see each other. Let me tell you, as hard as this may be right now, it will be even more gut wrenching to have to look at doing that if they have been in your home, or nearer to you (I am living it).And you may find that after they adjust, they are happier not having the stress that they almost certainly must feel trying to make things work at home? Blessings to you. Please let us know how things work out.

(And no matter what, do NOT let dad drive anymore. My grandmother was the same way. I remember vividly when I was a kid, her stopping cold in the middle of a busy intersection. She was paralyzed with indecision and fear as suddenly she was confused and didn’t know where she was, or which way she should go. I’m 64 now and that happened when I was a kid. It left an impression—even though thankfully there was no accident.)
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