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Consider that she's made the difficult choice to make her own life decisions in a situation which she no longer finds bearable, and also make the difficult decision to support her all the way. Be her partner as she proceeds with her decision.
I would make arrangements to spend more time with her, bring the family in, do whatever she wants to do - if she wants to go on a short trip, out to dinner, take her. Make this time as pleasurable as you can so that you can create lasting memories and know when it does happen that you helped her through this tough time. That may be the best thing you've ever done for her.
In fact, ask her how she would like to spend her days, to celebrate her life and leave it on her own terms. It will be emotional, but try to remember all the time that you're helping her through the most challenging time of her life.
As to remaining time, I'm not sure anyone but a physician well acquainted with her physical condition could offer realistic insight. And it will depend on other health issues she may have as well.
You're very insightful and strong to ask the question how to support her; I wish you, your mother and your family a rewarding experience as you go forward.
GardenArtist provided a beautiful answer for you. I completely agree.
Make the most of these days. I've heard from many people who've wished that they'd allowed more time together before death instead of fighting a battle that they know they will lose.
Express your love, let her know that you understand her decision, and do what she has the energy and the will to do. This is precious time to be used for the good of all.
Going through the death process together can offer dignity and peace to the person who is dying and rewarding memories for those who attend the dying person.
You will grieve, but you will support each other through it all. You'll still feel her with you after her body has given up. Many of us have been in similar situations and remember our experiences as some of the most powerful of our lives.
Get her into Hospice right away! There is no reason she should suffer and Hospice will keep her comfortable. And love her and be with her as much as possible.
Good point and one I should have made. Since I'm such a supporter of hospice, I'm made the mistake of assuming that she your loved one was already under hospice care. If she is not, that's the first thing to do. They will keep her as comfortable as possible and support you throughout so that you can focus on being a family.
In my opinion, the best way to support your loved one in this decision is not be angry or judgmental towards them and validate their feelings, which will give them the permission to let go as comfortably as possible without the harsh side effects and discomfort of medical intervention, especially when that intervention does not offer a cure.
My dad died of kidney failure and towards the end he stopped eating, drinking and just spent his time sleeping. He developed bed sores, so the nurses would turn him over on his side every few hours, and brought in a special air bed for him. The one strategy I did not think was helpful to my dad was rubbing his lips with the ice water - when I did it he cringed and jerked away; obviously too cold and painful.
In terms of how long they have left, the medical team does not give specifics (at least not in dad's case) but will give you warning signs and let you know when it's time to say what you want to say to your loved one. I suspect they can know much more than they will let on, but they will not disclose it.
During dad's last days, the staff let us know that they would take the intravenous away because it would only be drowning him because his kidneys could not get rid of the fluid. When we asked them how long it would take, they said it could take a few days or a few weeks; they were noncomittal. However, he was gone in two days.
The specific signs of impending death, which I observed when I was able to visit him, are restlessness and picking at the sheets; greyish skin tone, more short and rapid breathing, extreme weakness (the nurses had to lift him up to make the bed); very dry lips and skin; and looking into the distance, reaching out and trying to get out of bed (as if he saw someone and was trying to take their hand). Also, he stopped talking, and when he tried to talk, the most that would come out was a gutteral sound, although when I kept saying I love you, I could hear very clearly when he whispered "I love you, too." At that point, I just held his hand and, being Catholic, prayed for him. Touch and hearing seem to be the best way to communicate during those last days and hours. It's your presence of being with them. One thing I read was that the breathing doesn't bother the one who is dying as much as it bothers us. I'm hoping that's true.
God give you the strength and grace you need at this time.
The time is usually quite short from stopping dialysis to death, usually less than two weeks.Dying from kidney failure without dialysis will usually take longer and is more unpredictable.Getting hospice involved will be a very good move as the nurses will be familiar with the problems of dying from kidney failure and can request the necessary medications to make the passing peaceful. Gather the family as soon as possible because after a few relatively good days the decline will be very swift. Constant care will be needed.hospice nurses will instruct you in how to position the patient and provide an aide to come and give a daily bath. basically the patient can do whatever they feel bale to that is not dangerous like driving and eat and drink at will. At the end they will sleep and refuse food and fluids. There will be little or no urinary output. Pain is not usually an issue but expect some nausia. As others have said be there to comfort your loved one and because it was their decision to stop dialysis they understand they are dying and may want to help with their own obitorry or funeral arrangements. The funeral director can be invited to the house and a minister is religious services are planned. there is no right or wrong way to handle this just the patient's way.
an aquaintance of mine talked to his doc about giving up on life . doc told him if that was his wish , miss three dialysis procedures in a row . thats what he did and he died in a matter of days . old jim jim , wasnt very slim. jim jim , drank too much gin . jim jim , receding hair line . jim jim , too much boxed wine. the laziest guy i ever KNEW , sat on the couch till his kidneys BLEW . i never did really like jim , just another reason for me to write tasteless hymns .. jim was buried in a rubber vault , hes a strategic friction cushion in the san andreas FAULT .
CBRabenecker: my dad was on diaysis for years and it took its toll on him. In November 2008 he decided to stop going. I think he lasted two weeks, tops. I miss him and think of him daily but he had no quality of life. I support his decision, looking back. I wish you and your loved one all the best.
I work for hospice as a social worker and bereavement counselor and just went through a situation where a patient decided to stop kidney dialysis after 8 years on it. It was affecting the functioning of his heart, etc., resulting in more surgery being needed, etc, if he continued dialysis. I agree that hospice might be a good choice. They can help you manage the medical/physical end of things while allowing you to focus on the emotional support. They also can help you be aware of signs and symptoms of decline.
This particular person lived just a little beyond two weeks which surprised everyone. It can depend on whether the person has little to no kidney functioning left. All family members were able to get there to see him and say their "good-byes". We think he may have been waiting for that as it was after a weekend visit from his out of state grandchildren that he died the next day.
One "symptom" that I was surprised about...but later found out from our medical staff was normal...was itchy skin. Not sure what causes it but my guess would be that the body isn't able to adequately filter toxins anymore, so the skin and body reacts to this. For this patient, pain was not a problem, but nausea and vomiting was. Hospice can help work with that.
I agree with Garden Artist about asking your loved one how they'd like to spend their remaining days. Some want to see most everyone they can while others don't necessarily feel up to company or don't want people to see them in the condition they may be in.
Blessings on your Journey, and I think it's wonderful you're asking how you can best support the person instead of spending their time and energy trying to talk them out of it once they've made it clear that this is what they really want for themselves.
Good to hear input from a social worker that is always helpful. I forgot to mention the itchy skin, that is a problem with or without dialysis in renal failure.
Each of us are individuals and have our own thoughts and opinions. Those opinions can be different from each other. Honoring our loved ones wishes is he last thing we can do for them. Make their last days the best possible. Enjoy them while you can. The circle of life continues.
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APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
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We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
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APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
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I would make arrangements to spend more time with her, bring the family in, do whatever she wants to do - if she wants to go on a short trip, out to dinner, take her. Make this time as pleasurable as you can so that you can create lasting memories and know when it does happen that you helped her through this tough time. That may be the best thing you've ever done for her.
In fact, ask her how she would like to spend her days, to celebrate her life and leave it on her own terms. It will be emotional, but try to remember all the time that you're helping her through the most challenging time of her life.
As to remaining time, I'm not sure anyone but a physician well acquainted with her physical condition could offer realistic insight. And it will depend on other health issues she may have as well.
You're very insightful and strong to ask the question how to support her; I wish you, your mother and your family a rewarding experience as you go forward.
Make the most of these days. I've heard from many people who've wished that they'd allowed more time together before death instead of fighting a battle that they know they will lose.
Express your love, let her know that you understand her decision, and do what she has the energy and the will to do. This is precious time to be used for the good of all.
Going through the death process together can offer dignity and peace to the person who is dying and rewarding memories for those who attend the dying person.
You will grieve, but you will support each other through it all. You'll still feel her with you after her body has given up. Many of us have been in similar situations and remember our experiences as some of the most powerful of our lives.
Blessings to your all.
Carol
Blessings,
Carol
My dad died of kidney failure and towards the end he stopped eating, drinking and just spent his time sleeping. He developed bed sores, so the nurses would turn him over on his side every few hours, and brought in a special air bed for him. The one strategy I did not think was helpful to my dad was rubbing his lips with the ice water - when I did it he cringed and jerked away; obviously too cold and painful.
In terms of how long they have left, the medical team does not give specifics (at least not in dad's case) but will give you warning signs and let you know when it's time to say what you want to say to your loved one. I suspect they can know much more than they will let on, but they will not disclose it.
During dad's last days, the staff let us know that they would take the intravenous away because it would only be drowning him because his kidneys could not get rid of the fluid. When we asked them how long it would take, they said it could take a few days or a few weeks; they were noncomittal. However, he was gone in two days.
The specific signs of impending death, which I observed when I was able to visit him, are restlessness and picking at the sheets; greyish skin tone, more short and rapid breathing, extreme weakness (the nurses had to lift him up to make the bed); very dry lips and skin; and looking into the distance, reaching out and trying to get out of bed (as if he saw someone and was trying to take their hand). Also, he stopped talking, and when he tried to talk, the most that would come out was a gutteral sound, although when I kept saying I love you, I could hear very clearly when he whispered "I love you, too." At that point, I just held his hand and, being Catholic, prayed for him. Touch and hearing seem to be the best way to communicate during those last days and hours. It's your presence of being with them. One thing I read was that the breathing doesn't bother the one who is dying as much as it bothers us. I'm hoping that's true.
God give you the strength and grace you need at this time.
Gather the family as soon as possible because after a few relatively good days the decline will be very swift. Constant care will be needed.hospice nurses will instruct you in how to position the patient and provide an aide to come and give a daily bath. basically the patient can do whatever they feel bale to that is not dangerous like driving and eat and drink at will. At the end they will sleep and refuse food and fluids. There will be little or no urinary output. Pain is not usually an issue but expect some nausia. As others have said be there to comfort your loved one and because it was their decision to stop dialysis they understand they are dying and may want to help with their own obitorry or funeral arrangements. The funeral director can be invited to the house and a minister is religious services are planned. there is no right or wrong way to handle this just the patient's way.
old jim jim , wasnt very slim.
jim jim , drank too much gin .
jim jim , receding hair line .
jim jim , too much boxed wine.
the laziest guy i ever KNEW ,
sat on the couch till his kidneys BLEW .
i never did really like jim ,
just another reason for me to write tasteless hymns ..
jim was buried in a rubber vault ,
hes a strategic friction cushion in the san andreas FAULT .
This particular person lived just a little beyond two weeks which surprised everyone. It can depend on whether the person has little to no kidney functioning left. All family members were able to get there to see him and say their "good-byes". We think he may have been waiting for that as it was after a weekend visit from his out of state grandchildren that he died the next day.
One "symptom" that I was surprised about...but later found out from our medical staff was normal...was itchy skin. Not sure what causes it but my guess would be that the body isn't able to adequately filter toxins anymore, so the skin and body reacts to this. For this patient, pain was not a problem, but nausea and vomiting was. Hospice can help work with that.
I agree with Garden Artist about asking your loved one how they'd like to spend their remaining days. Some want to see most everyone they can while others don't necessarily feel up to company or don't want people to see them in the condition they may be in.
Blessings on your Journey, and I think it's wonderful you're asking how you can best support the person instead of spending their time and energy trying to talk them out of it once they've made it clear that this is what they really want for themselves.